Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

I’m perfectly ok with the manager not selecting youth products if he doesn’t think they’re good enough.  They probably aren’t. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m perfectly ok with the manager not selecting youth products if he doesn’t think they’re good enough.  They probably aren’t. 

They are bairns and not ready yet. Yeah maybe some of them could have got a kick against Qarabag but other than what are we talking about?

 

It's such a weird angle. 

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

He's turned 19 and Tino is back. we have precisely zero evidence to suggest he's ready to contribute at this level yet. That doesn't mean he won't in the future but he's not ready. 

 

Eddie has given chance to youth it's a very odd stick to beat him with and I'm someone who is actually unsure about him being the right person to take the next step with us. 

yea how about when Tino was still injured? Trippier for 90 mins consecutively for how many matches? You really expect a 35 years old right back to survive Howe’s pressing tactic for so many games?

 

Thats a very ridiculous handling of squad management to me. You can disagree. 

[Zero]

And if Shahar is rlly that shit that once he’s on the pitch we will concede, fine. Get a loan RB at January FFS

 

the whole situation is insane

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

They are bairns and not ready yet. Yeah maybe some of them could have got a kick against Qarabag but other than what are we talking about?

 

It's such a weird angle. 

Yep, I have to say I don’t think there was any harm in chucking them on towards the end of the Qarabag match - but I suspect we don’t have a bunch of young’uns revving up to be world beaters just yet.  I don’t think we’ve used our expensively-assembled squad all that well; but that’s not down to not playing the kids. 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Zero said:

yea how about when Tino was still injured? Trippier for 90 mins consecutively for how many matches? You really expect a 35 years old right back to survive Howe’s pressing tactic for so many games?

 

Thats a very ridiculous handling of squad management to me. You can disagree. 

That was poor squad planning it was obvious to anyone with a brain that going into the season with the fullbacks we had wasn't a great idea. 

 

Doesn't mean an academy kid is the answer mind. 

 

And you absolutely can critique Eddie's squad management, it's one of those valid critiques which make sense imo. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, r0cafella said:

That was poor squad planning it was obvious to anyone with a brain that going into the season with the fullbacks we had wasn't a great idea. 

 

Doesn't mean an academy kid is the answer mind. 

 

And you absolutely can critique Eddie's squad management, it's one of those valid critiques which make sense imo. 

Aye, it might be argued that going into the season with three first team quality FBs - one of whom was injured - wasn’t optimal squad-building.  

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Aye, it might be argued that going into the season with three first team quality FBs - one of whom was injured - wasn’t optimal squad-building.  

Absolutely, it was highlighted at the time to be fair. 

 

We've actually gotten away with it honestly, imagine if Hall and Tino were injured for large portions of the season at the time. We'd be battling relegation. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Absolutely, it was highlighted at the time to be fair. 

 

We've actually gotten away with it honestly, imagine if Hall and Tino were injured for large portions of the season at the time. We'd be battling relegation. 

Yes, I can remember it being discussed.  Seemed suicidal given Livramento & Hall’s injury track records - and the importance of athletic FBs to our system.  I think not building the squad well did cost us a lot of points - can’t check at the moment, but I wonder what our PPG is when both play this season vs when one or both are missing 

[OpenC]

9 hours ago, Wolfcastle said:

 

He wasn't hounded out ffs.  Half the crowd going home after a terrible game against Wolves isn't hounding a manager out. 

There weren't any protests, chants, banners or anything. He was sacked because he was retiring at the end of the season anyway and the players had downed tools causing a bad start. 

 

There were definitely chants like, I had my season ticket in the Gallowgate that entire time and there were plenty of big, noticeable "you don't know what you're doing"s directed at Robson when he made his traditional late and predictable substitutions. There wasn't a sustained campaign or anything but it's just not true to suggest there were no chants at SJP. There were, and I distinctly remember a shot of him with his fingers in his ears trying to ignore it when it was at its worst.

 

 

Edited March 24 by OpenC

[Optimistic Nut]

The first two and a half years recruitment was perfection. It was a blend of players hitting their peak on the continent that the big clubs knew about, but we got them (Bruno, Isak, Botman, Tonali), probably because at the time they thought we were going to be able to bankroll our way to success, joined by proven Premier League experience (Trippier, Burn, Targett (at the time), Pope, Barnes), plus three of the best prospects in the country (Gordon, Livramento and Hall).

 

Your Brightons, etc don't get those players, we need to somehow get back to that. 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Optimistic Nut

[bobbydazzla]

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

The first two and a half years recruitment was perfection. It was a blend of players hitting their peak on the continent that the big clubs knew about, but we got them (Bruno, Isak, Botman, Tonali), probably because at the time they thought we were going to be able to bankroll our way to success, joined by proven Premier League experience (Trippier, Burn, Targett (at the time), Pope, Barnes), plus two of the best prospects in the country (Gordon, Livramento and Hall).

 

Your Brightons, etc don't get those players, we need to somehow get back to that. 

We even got our money back on the much maligned Chris Wood. Only downside was seeing him banging them in for Forest after he was in the doldrums here. 

[SUPERTOON]

A summary from the latest Douglas article after Sunday:

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

11 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not sure what mitigating circumstances you are referring to but we can no longer defend, are easily dominated in midfield, no longer press properly meaning we're easy to play through, concede a ridiculous amount of goals at the ends of each half, and have no sort of playing style. This latest trend of not turning up after HT as has been the case v Man City, Barcelona and Sunderland is also a concern.

 

If people are genuinely believing that's all down to selling Isak I have some magic beans they may be interested in buying.

This sort of thing just comes across as hyperbole. We’ve won 2 of our last 3 league games. We can’t be shite at absolutely everything now, unless those two wins were just down to luck?

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

A summary from the latest Douglas article after Sunday:

 

 

IF This is true I imagine Eddie walks come the end of the season. That's a lot of questions which he's never been asked before. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

IF This is true I imagine Eddie walks come the end of the season. That's a lot of questions which he's never been asked before. 

Aye, not going to lie, the most exciting part of that was us not signing Ramsdale 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, not going to lie, the most exciting part of that was us not signing Ramsdale 

I only read the summarised tweet and I couldn't get past the amount of uncertainty tbh. It's weird because obviously we shouldn't be signing Ramsdale but I doubt many would be surprised if we did. 

[Zero]

I don’t know why, may be it’s not intended, but doesn’t the article sounds like, all those stuff (retaining Willock, EPL target with tax etc) are Howe’s idea and now the board decide to go for other direction?

 

May be I am over sensitive but it smell like the start of the blaming game.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Zero

[Holmesy]

15 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

A summary from the latest Douglas article after Sunday:

 

 

All sounds absolutely spot on tbh. Exactly what's needed.

[Cf]

I haven't read the last however many pages but Howe is still my man. 

 

We're allowed a below par season. Top 5 is likely gone but Europa/Conference is still doable with a good run of form. 

 

And below par is as far as I'd go. I wouldn't go as far as bad. We got to the semi finals of the LC as holders. Knocked out by City. 5th round of FA Cup. Knocked out by City. Last 16 of CL. Knocked out by Barcelona. There's no shame in any of those results. 

 

The team is now having it's first break since January. I think since the start of the year we've played single midweek and weekend since then I believe. And with some key injuries during that time as well I believe. This isn't an excuse for patchy form - it's a reason. 

 

I'm expecting us to start looking a bit more like our old selves as we now have the luxury of a game per week like the rest of the league. Then summer obviously needs loads of work and it's time to see what difference actually having an executive team in place makes. 

 

In terms of wanting a change I can't say I get it. If a player is going through a period of poor form but you know their quality you expect them to come through it. Same with the manager. 

 

And I'm not sure who we'd get. Just look at the current "big six" managers:

 

City: Pep - Good obvs

Arsenal: Arteta - Good though seems allergic to trophies and football is turgig

Man Utd: Currently have a caretaker after previous disasters 

Liverpool: Slot - Shite, and we should expect movement here

Chelsea: Rosenior - Probably shite, and a while since they've had a good manager

Spurs: LOL

 

Outside of City/Arsenal the other four have struggled with their managerial recruitment. And it's notable that the two that are clearly above the rest are the two with long term managers. Liverpool were in that group... And then they changed their manager. 

 

Ferguson at Man Utd, Wenger at Arsenal, Moyes at Everton. There's a lot of value in long term managers. We just don't get to see it very often. 

 

If we went for a change maybe we strike lucky. But there's every chance we just end up on the managerial merry go round with everyone else. 

 

And this isn't just the better the devil you know. Howe is quality. Give him proper support off the pitch this summer and I think we can have high hopes for next season. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Holmesy said:

All sounds absolutely spot on tbh. Exactly what's needed.

In a vacuum it does yes. In reality though im not so sure. 

 

I think we suffer as a club because we don't really have an identity or philosophy running throughout us. I mean how do you recruit players when the system may change? 

 

I think the club needs to ask itself what is it and what does it want to be? What is our DNA. apologies for sounding like our old sporting director. 

[Kid Icarus]

Nice bloke but I wouldn't rely on Mark Douglas to give me the correct time. In terms of reliability he's likeable Luke Edwards.

 

 

Edited March 24 by Kid Icarus

[stabmasterareson]

19 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

This sort of thing just comes across as hyperbole. We’ve won 2 of our last 3 league games. We can’t be shite at absolutely everything now, unless those two wins were just down to luck?

Its easy to think like this, simply ignore every good result

[nufc4eva]

Sounds exactly what we need and it's fair to be asking questions of Howe and saying 12th simply isn't good enough. Also the bit about making players fit the system feels spot on rather than adapting system to the players. Howe has been very rigid in his ideal setup even when clearly we don't have the players to fit it.

 

Good if we are looking abroad as well and find some gems even if need to sell a few purples. Just needs a proper shakeup.

 

If we want to be the top club then hierarchy have to be ruthless operators, no room for sentiment even with Howe and he needs to adapt or he's no longer the right fit and the need for training ground time, energy draining style just isn't sustainable to be at the top

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

19 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

IF This is true I imagine Eddie walks come the end of the season. That's a lot of questions which he's never been asked before. 

All of it is pretty much what those of us who are critical have wanted addressing.  I agree, I’m not sure he’ll take all of it.  But he needs to.