Eddie Howe

[Zero]

17 minutes ago, macphisto said:

PIF investing would have made a massive difference as it would have reduced our losses over any given 3 year period. We can only assume that they planned to get around the PSR rules, otherwise they are completely incompetent for leaving us in a position where we couldn't buy any one for a good few windows. 

 

Howe has never wanted control, he only got it as PIF allowed a vacuum to emerge at the top of the club. Having a say in what players are sold to full control are completely different things. 

Howe has never wanted control?

[OverThere]

19 minutes ago, Zero said:

Howe has never wanted control?

Yeah right, I don't buy that one at all. Quite the contrary, which is why we have had so much friction with DOFs

[TheBrownBottle]

44 minutes ago, macphisto said:

PIF investing would have made a massive difference as it would have reduced our losses over any given 3 year period. We can only assume that they planned to get around the PSR rules, otherwise they are completely incompetent for leaving us in a position where we couldn't buy any one for a good few windows. 

 

Howe has never wanted control, he only got it as PIF allowed a vacuum to emerge at the top of the club. Having a say in what players are sold to full control are completely different things. 

I’m not as sure that Howe didn’t want control

 

Investing money has zero impact on reducing losses in terms of PSR.  You can’t get round PSR by injections of capital

[macphisto]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m not as sure that Howe didn’t want control

 

Investing money has zero impact on reducing losses in terms of PSR.  You can’t get round PSR by injections of capital

I meant investing money in terms of exploiting loopholes in PSR which plenty of other clubs have done. I didn't mean investing capital.

 

Howe worked well with Staveley, Ashworth and now Wilson which indicates he's happy to share control with others. I'd also throw in Bunce too.

[macphisto]

2 hours ago, OverThere said:

Yeah right, I don't buy that one at all. Quite the contrary, which is why we have had so much friction with DOFs

He's only had friction with Mitchell, let's not rewrite history.

[macphisto]

2 hours ago, Zero said:

Howe has never wanted control?

No, I don't think he has. He wants input like any other manager.

 

 

Edited April 20 by macphisto

[Zero]

People got to understand what’s the difference between “input” and “control”. If Howe wants to be asked what kinda players he want, and its up to DOF to make the final decision, it’s input. If Howe wants to have the final say on transfer, it’s control.

 

 

[Geordie Magpie]

You can't go from 5th one season to 14th the next season with 5 games to go and not expect talk of the sack.

 

Yes we have over achieved in recent years, lost our star striker and this season was always gonna be a transition season but not getting top 8 with this squad this season is bad, especially considering the amount of points we've dropped from winning positions. 

 

The criticism Howe is receiving is fair, complaints of playing 3 games in a week ( Villa manage it fine and didn't spend much last summer) then have a 3 week break after the derby, back to one game a week and serve up two shit performances and losses against Palace and Bournemouth. 

 

Players are to blame, PIF didn't cover themselves in glory last summer but Howe is deffo to blame for keep playing the same formation, waiting to the 70th minute to make like for like subs and sticking with players who are clearly past it. He also signed Elanga, that's a sackable offence in its self 😂

 

He won us a trophy, will always be remembered fondly but it's went so stale, with a massive rebuild needed, a new manager, their new signings and fresh ideas is what we need.

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, macphisto said:

I meant investing money in terms of exploiting loopholes in PSR which plenty of other clubs have done. I didn't mean investing capital.

 

Howe worked well with Staveley, Ashworth and now Wilson which indicates he's happy to share control with others. I'd also throw in Bunce too.

Not so sure he worked that well with Ashworth, I think he got everything he wanted under Staveley, just watch the documentary when we signed Gordon.

[macphisto]

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Not so sure he worked that well with Ashworth, I think he got everything he wanted under Staveley, just watch the documentary when we signed Gordon.

What shows that this is a ridiculous conversation, from either perspective, is that he's only had two active transfer windows where we've had a DoF. January signing of Gordon and the following summer where we signed Tonali, etc. From a recruitment perspective we can only say he worked well with Ashworth due to the successes of those windows and I don't remember any stories of discontent coming out of the club.

 

We have nothing else to go on either way.

 

Whether he's wanted full control or not, outside the two above windows, he's been given it due to mismanagement by PIF where we didn't have people in place.

[Zero]

That’s why I said, poor Eddie 

[Kid Icarus]

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Howe wanted control and got it 

 

Mornin' everyone 

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Geordie Magpie said:

The criticism Howe is receiving is fair, complaints of playing 3 games in a week ( Villa manage it fine and didn't spend much last summer) then have a 3 week break after the derby, back to one game a week and serve up two shit performances and losses against Palace and Bournemouth. 

 

It's "fair" to criticise any manager during a rough patch but what isn't "fair" is your total minimisation of the amount of games we've played. Actually laughable you used Villa as the opposing example to aid your dismissal of the workload. 

Villa are in the Europa. Completely less demanding. Iirc they also bombed out, R1, of the Carabou. Granted they've done things differently, spending fortunes on loans for eg, but let's see how they cope next season before wanking oneself off over the assumed bolsteing of one's arguement this.

Also, the 3 week break, you mentioned? Wasn't 2 weeks of that International? Half the squad away?

 

Don't get me wrong, it's been a very frustrating season but let's not let facts get in the way of opinions 😉😂

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, macphisto said:

I meant investing money in terms of exploiting loopholes in PSR which plenty of other clubs have done. I didn't mean investing capital.

 

Howe worked well with Staveley, Ashworth and now Wilson which indicates he's happy to share control with others. I'd also throw in Bunce too.

Got you - apologies, misunderstood - yes, agree 100%

[r0cafella]

Wouldn't mind a new poll. 

 

Do you want Eddie Howe to be charge next season? 

 

Yes

No 

Undecided. 

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

For those 100% Howe in for next season currently, do you need to see some improvement for the remaining games to stay that way? 

[gbandit]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

For those 100% Howe in for next season currently, do you need to see some improvement for the remaining games to stay that way? 

I would say so yeah. I’d back him into next season until Christmas if we limped through the rest of this season. However, I’d like to see some proactive changes with Woltemade coming back into the side and Osula playing RW

[sempuki]

If we had not capitulated in those last two games we'd be up there with Chelsea and I doubt we'd be talking about Eddie's future as we are now.  More likely we finish 14th or even 15th now and the season looks 100% worse. 

[Wallsendmag]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He wasn’t, but that’s in part because he didn’t sell players at peak value.  His failures to trade at opportune moments isn’t reflective of good squad management.  PSR existed when he was at Bournemouth, he can’t possibly be unaware of the implications.  
 

Edit: that doesn’t mean PSR hasn’t hamstrung him - but he’s been hamstrung from competing with Liverpool and Man City.  No-one is criticising him for not being in a title charge - he’s being criticised because we don’t appear to be able to compete with Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth etc - and last I checked PSR leaves us better off than them. 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Aside from that I'd have more sympathy on the PSR restrictions side if things if he hadn't spunked £180m on Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga. If you add in the loan fee for Ramsdale as well that's probably not a kick in the arse off £200m last summer on 4 flops.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Feels like a kind of day we need strong leadership.

 

Either back him or sack him.

 

To do neither will only see the whole circus grow and grow.

 

The only one thing that might help Eddie this week is the whole focus will now shift to Arsenal and the title race.

 

[Dr.Spaceman]

54 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

For those 100% Howe in for next season currently, do you need to see some improvement for the remaining games to stay that way? 

 

I'm not 100% but the closer we get to the summer the less I want us to rip everything up to start again. We need to be planning for next season already, tough to do that if you don't know who's going to be in charge, unless you're set on limiting yourself to a very particular type of manager. And good luck convincing any prospective signings that they're going to be in the new manager's plans.

[TRon]

9 hours ago, huss9 said:

honest question.... do people think he can turn it round next season with the majority of this squad and a few additions.

can he change, can he become more proactive and less rigid?

 

 

He could possibly turn it around if we unearthed another Isak. Even last season we struggled badly whenever Isak was out, so I think his style is highly dependent on a world class striker who can get in behind the defence. 

 

Realistically I don't think we can get one this summer, and I don't think he can get Wolt to work with his system. 

 

For me the jury is still out on whether Wolt will work at all in the PL, but he's never going to do it playing the way we do currently, and I don't think Eddie knows any other way of playing. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

For those 100% Howe in for next season currently, do you need to see some improvement for the remaining games to stay that way? 

I want one but I always expected these games to be very up and down due to our shattered confidence and lack of ball players on the pitch.

 

No matter what happens it’s still one bad season and he should get the chance to go again. 
 

It’s much easier to rebuild the ship in the summer than it is in the heat of the battle. 

 

 

Edited April 20 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Menace]

 

If he is kept on and doesn't manage to turn it around - we will be in a relegation fight next season.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Think it’s a bit pessimistic to think we’ll be this bad forever.