Eddie Howe

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, Mikky said:

If we concede the exact same goal to Brighton next week for the X game in a row against them  …..

The one between the lines? Or the Minteh goal?

 

10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I think our signings were meant to be more technical than the players they were meant to replace as well. Elanga > Murphy, Ramsey > Joelinton and Thiaw/Botman is overall very good on the ball. And of course Woltemade. Could even include the GKs we went for to replace Pope.

 

Just the fact so few players have performed well and now our confidence is shot (plus injuries etc). So Howe has decided to lean back on a pressing forward and the likes of Joelinton which is more in keeping with the previous style.

 

I do think he wants us to play with the ball more, in theory at least. 

 

 

 

I don’t believe any PL club can look at Elanga and think he’s about to lift the technical ceiling of anything. Elanga is arguably worse technically.  Thats the first thing I noticed about him, technically he is bad. That wasn’t a move to a more technical team - that was a move for more of the same + more pace. 
 

Ramsey is better technically than Joe but his game isn’t any more progressive or penetrative or creative.  Ramsey is similar to Willock.  
 

Schar is better on the ball than Thiaw and Botman.  
 

I give you Woltemade. But he doesn’t fit and was a panic signing.   Wissa looks like latter day Wilson.  
 

 

And I mean this in terms of profile more than ability.  We didn’t buy a passer for midfield.  We didn’t buy a passer or skilful player on the wings.  1 of our striking options can’t work as a 9 because he can’t do it physically.   In fact neither striker we bought can do it physically which is why Osula starts. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by The College Dropout

[Mikky]

11 minutes ago, Mikky said:

If we concede the exact same goal to Brighton next week for the X game in a row against them  …..

The one between the lines @The College Dropout

[Ed Vinegar]

For people saying he needs to rebuild this summer and start well next season - how well does he need to do and how long would you give him? 

 

If he heads up a rebuild and we give him effectively a 12 game probation next season... Is that a good plan? Would he want that? 

 

I don't know either way, just thinking about it. If we're making the decision based on start of next season, what's the cutoff point?

[HaydnNUFC]

Voted no and tbh it’s been my position since the derby last month. The football is incredibly dull, boring and shite and has been for too long. Hate that I feel that way; an awful way for an amazing 4.5 years to end.

[The Prophet]

I'm still in the yes camp, but it's a much harder call than it ever has been before and I don't blame anyone for leaning the other way.

 

With far better execution in the transfer market and a relatively settled pre-season (World Cup aside), I still believe he can turn it around.

[Keegans Export]

I'm still a yes because there's still a lot of football to be played this season and another month of regular time on the training ground should be sufficient to see some progress. 

 

If it's more of the same then I'll move to a no. 

 

The poor performances and results have been an issue since well before Barca/mackems and this is the chance to show that next season won't start the same way this one has ended (so far)

[TK-421]

If there is a decision to part ways, either mutual or by Eddie's own decision, and its taken before the season ends, I believe he'll want it kept quiet (as much as thats possible) until the season finishes. I don't think he'd want a big display of affection in the final home game, as its not really who he is. Remember him being very humbled by the flag on the side of the Sandman.

I guess a lot will depend on the next 4 games. If we don't pick up another point (very feasible), then I think he may decide he's taken it as far as he can, if he hasn't already done that privately. But the board summit this week could be massive - they may yet back him fully and reinvigorate him for the summer and next season, or it could be decided its time for a fresh start for both parties. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Not sure why people keep talking about respect like it’s some godfather movie. Just call a spade a spade. He’s been shite in the PL this season and what has been served up in the league has been worse than Brucey when you consider the players and budget available to Howe compared to other teams in the league and 4 years to shape his squad. 

 

We’ve lost 16 games in the league, so far…

 

 

Edited April 26 by Jesse Pinkman

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Not sure why people keep talking about respect like it’s some godfather movie. Just call a spade a spade. He’s been shite in the PL this season and what has been served up in the league has been worse than Brucey when you consider the players and budget available to Howe compared to other teams in the league and 4 years to shape his squad. 

 

We’ve lost 16 games in the league this season, so far…

 

 

 

 

You're trying too hard again man, remove the Brucey line and you might have had some takers.

[La Parka]

I 've been no since November with signs starting in October. 

 

Just feels like the end of a run. Football moved on and Eddie hasn't. He's spent a monumental amount to be sat lower than Bacon man. The mentality of the squad is more fragile than Trumps ego and the attacking play has zero purpose. 

 

He's fantastic in the press, very good at working with limited resources, but he/his system is sussed and without change it feels like we will keep on this trajectory. 

 

[Yorkie]

On the matter of expecting green shoots/better performances in this run of games.

 

I was totally of that opinion/expectation too. What I didn't anticipate was the extent of the psychological damage from the Barcelona/Sunderland double-whammy. We probably could've kept it from spiralling had we ground out any sort of result at Palace, but we lost in horrific fashion again, taking confidence from low to subterranean. Rot fully established and season all but over. Where do we go from here and do we even have the stones for it any more?

 

So, to that end, it feels like any gains to be felt from the relaxed schedule may have been undermined by the mental state of everyone, and - you could argue - it's not really a true test of Howe's ability to turn the boat around via the training pitch.

 

Does that afford him the grace to go again no matter what happens? Dunno, maybe not. The point is that, I don't think what's happening in this final run should be viewed as compelling evidence of his ability to manage the club. 

 

Ironically if the swell of the relegation zone really does start lapping at our feet, it'll give us something critical to fight for and that might be reflected in performances.

[Jesse Pinkman]

14 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

You're trying too hard again man, remove the Brucey line and you might have had some takers.

When comparing seasons it’s fair to compare against previous managers performances, no?
 

Bruce lost 16 games when he finished 13th. Howe has lost 16 with 4 games still remaining. Of course he could go on to win all four but that’s very optimistic considering the slide.
 

If you remove bias from it and look from a stat perspective this league season is similar to what Bruce has produced. Thats plain and simple. Fans may not like it but the stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Jesse Pinkman

[Kimbo]

I’ll decide at the end of the season, but I’m leaning a bit towards a change.

 

I think the signs are telling me his time here has come to its natural conclusion, so if I was an owner looking to invest a large amount in a squad rebuild this summer, I’d probably overhaul the coaching staff as well. They just haven’t shown enough this season, we’re predictable and our tactics are tired, even our substitutions are incredibly predictable. Everyone knows how to play against us and we’ve had no response. Plus it seems they’re struggling to motivate the players now, I think this happens when a squad and coach have been together for too long. It’s not even that we’ve had an off-season and fell away a bit, we’ve been really shite and it’s not unreasonable to be worried about getting sucked into a relegation battle on the last day.

 

As a fan sentimentality comes into it so part of me wants to give him another chance. Plus most managers are freaks and weirdos, and Howe isn’t. That said, I don’t think I’d predict a very good season next year, even with a squad overhaul, because I expect we’d just be plugging new players into the same tired approach.

 

 

Edited April 26 by Kimbo

[Geordie Ahmed]

7 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

When comparing seasons it’s fair to compare against previous managers performances, no?
 

Bruce lost 16 games when he finished 13th. Howe has lost 16 with 4 games still remaining. Of course he could go on to win all four but that’s very optimistic considering the slide.
 

If you remove bias from it and look from a stat perspective this league season is similar to what Bruce has produced. Thats plain and simple. Fans may not like it but the stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

 

 

Out of curiosity how did we do in the cups in that Bruce season?

[Jesse Pinkman]

2 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Out of curiosity how did we do in the cups in that Bruce season?

I am talking about league performance. Yes Howe has done reasonably well in the cups and that’s nice. But league position is very much more important for the long term stability of the club and squad. We also got knocked out the cups as soon as we played good teams. 
 

 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Jesse Pinkman

[La Parka]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Out of curiosity how did we do in the cups in that Bruce season?

Part of our problem this season was going all out in every competition. 

[Andy]

7 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

When comparing seasons it’s fair to compare against previous managers performances, no?
 

Bruce lost 16 games when he finished 13th. Howe has lost 16 with 4 games still remaining. Of course he could go on to win all four but that’s very optimistic considering the slide.
 

If you remove bias from it and look from a stat perspective this league season is similar to what Bruce has produced. Thats plain and simple. Fans may not like it but the stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

 

 

I mean in principle what you're saying is true, but it's ignoring the rather obvious point that this kind of season was Bruce's par and there was little sign of it ever changing across his entire career, whereas based on his performance with us to date, it's a blip for Howe. 

[1881]

7 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

When comparing seasons it’s fair to compare against previous managers performances, no?
 

Bruce lost 16 games when he finished 13th. Howe has lost 16 with 4 games still remaining. Of course he could go on to win all four but that’s very optimistic considering the slide.
 

If you remove bias from it and look from a stat perspective this league season is similar to what Bruce has produced. Thats plain and simple. Fans may not like it but the stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

 

If you need to compare seasons, then you have to compare everything otherwise it is meaningless 

 

I don’t remember Bruce getting us to the semi-finals of the League Cup.

 

I don’t remember Bruce getting us to the knockout stages  of the Champions League.

 

i don’t remember Bruce having to manage such a huge number of games either.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, La Parka said:

Part of our problem this season was going all out in every competition. 

 

I agree, it's been a mistake from Howe to go all out in every competition

 

We clearly didn't have the squad to deal with that, especially when we got unlucky with the teams we had to face

 

He was better off rotating/chucking those because unless you win them then clearly people forget about them 

[Ilovetoon8788]

7 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

What are you talking about? Hall has played loads of games for us. Did you forget about that or is it more convenient for you to ignore it? 

 

He picked Burn for this particular game and gave his reasons. You don't have to like it but let's not ignore reality just because it contradicts the point you want to make 

the reason is precisely why i'm against howe. it's all about physicality and athletes and that is eddie's huge limitation.

 

burn has been awful at left back and opponents always attack his side. the amount of goals conceded with him at left back is alot. and he has been skinned by wingers in so many games. 

and yet Howe plays burn just for the 'physicality' he offered. and burn was utter crap as usual.

[Gawalls]

3 hours ago, TRon said:

 

 

The problem with that hopeful scenario is that successful strikers cost a bomb. You mentioned Gordon and Livramento, but they can be replaced, we already have Barnes here so it's not that desperate. 

 

Are you assuming that Howe thinks he can get Woltemade and Wissa to start firing next season? 

Blanks maybe (didn't take me three hours to come up with that funny reply, honest)

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just now, 1881 said:

If you need to compare seasons, then you have to compare everything otherwise it is meaningless 

 

I don’t remember Bruce getting us to the semi-finals of the League Cup.

 

I don’t remember Bruce getting us to the knockout stages  of the Champions League.

 

i don’t remember Bruce having to manage such a huge number of games either.

 

Whilst we got to the FA Cup Quarter Final it was hardly an achievement when you look at who we played and how difficult we made it

 

[Ilovetoon8788]

3 minutes ago, La Parka said:

Part of our problem this season was going all out in every competition. 

this is the other issue with Howe. he wants all the compteition but he plays the same players he trusts game after game. youths have zero chance under him. 

it will always take a massive injury crisis for him to play any of the young lads.

[nufc123]

13 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I don't think what's happening in this final run should be viewed as compelling evidence of his ability to manage the club. 

For me thats a big deal, and those games will decide if Im Howe out or Howe in. Rot out the season is a big big red flag for me. A "decent" finish, and its another chance for Howe.

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

I am talking about league performance. Yes Howe has done reasonably well in the cups and that’s nice. But league position is very much more important for the long term stability of the club and squad. We also got knocked out the cups as soon as we played good teams. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Bournemouth and Villa are not good teams?