Eddie Howe

[Geogaddi]

25 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

That doesn't make sense to me, we have more or less the same team that finished 4th, 7th and 5th. The players who have left have all been dead wood or bit part players other than Isak and we've brought in more players to replace them who at worst should be able to be squad players like the leavers were (though we all hoped for more). There's a glaring problem at CF atm but that doesn't explain why everyone else who has previously been a top 5 players is suddenly playing like they 'simply aren't good enough'. 

It makes perfect sense to me, the likes of Tripper, Bruno, Isak, Joelinton were all massive reasons why we finished in them places, all them were at their peak and were good enough to carry the rest of the team and made the others around them look better than they were. Nick Pope was even brilliant for the 4th place season and a big chunk of the 7th place one.  Now all of a sudden Trippier and Pope are finished, Bruno and Joelinton have been injured and are older whilst Isak has left.  We have basically lost the entire spine of the team that did so well and not bought players that are good enough to come in and replace them.

 

 

Edited April 28 by Geogaddi

[sanyi75]

22 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

It makes perfect sense to me, the likes of Tripper, Bruno, Isak, Joelinton were all massive reasons why we finished in them places, all them were at their peak and were good enough to carry the rest of the team and made the others around them look better than they were. Nick Pope was even brilliant for the 4th place season and a big chunk of the 7th place one.  Now all of a sudden Trippier and Pope are finished, Bruno and Joelinton have been injured and are older whilst Isak has left.  We have basically lost the entire spine of the team that did so well and not bought players that are good enough to come in and replace them.

 

 

 

I agree, the midfield was more stable, Hall and Livramento could help more in the attacks, and there were those who took advantage of the situations. The players arriving are not of the right level, and the opponents have become much stronger and are getting stronger. More creativity is needed, and smarter, more precise play, and for this you need the right players. I may be biased, but there is Szoboszlai in the Pool, for example, he can decide matches with his passes, free kicks, and corners.

[TheEntertainer]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

It makes perfect sense to me, the likes of Tripper, Bruno, Isak, Joelinton were all massive reasons why we finished in them places, all them were at their peak and were good enough to carry the rest of the team and made the others around them look better than they were. Nick Pope was even brilliant for the 4th place season and a big chunk of the 7th place one.  Now all of a sudden Trippier and Pope are finished, Bruno and Joelinton have been injured and are older whilst Isak has left.  We have basically lost the entire spine of the team that did so well and not bought players that are good enough to come in and replace them.

 

 

 

Bruno and Joe are 28 and 29, still absolutely at their peak so their age has nothing to do with it, I agree Trippier has declined with age, but it's not like we didn't know he was going to get older. Pope has just turned 34 so I guess age could be a problem for him as well, but that doesn't seem past it for a goalkeeper. 

 

We've lost one player. Claiming we've lost the spine of the team is a massive over-exaggeration. The under-performance shouldn't be due to age for most of these players and other than Isak and Trippier we haven't needed to replace a first team player (although for whatever reason it's become clear that Pope isn't it as well now). 

 

We have Tino at RB who on paper is as good as Trippier and I would imagine was the succession plan though he's obviously made of glass (you do lose some leadership though I guess).

 

I just really don't like the argument the players aren't good enough, this team is so much stronger than the one Howe inherited when he came in and he got a tune from them.  

 

In my opinion the teams still good enough, they are just massively under-performing for whatever reason. 

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

Bruno and Joe are 28 and 29, still absolutely at their peak so their age has nothing to do with it, I agree Trippier has declined with age, but it's not like we didn't know he was going to get older. Pope has just turned 34 so I guess age could be a problem for him as well, but that doesn't seem past it for a goalkeeper. 

 

We've lost one player. Claiming we've lost the spine of the team is a massive over-exaggeration. The under-performance shouldn't be due to age for most of these players and other than Isak and Trippier we haven't needed to replace a first team player (although for whatever reason it's become clear that Pope isn't it as well now). 

 

We have Tino at RB who on paper is as good as Trippier and I would imagine was the succession plan though he's obviously made of glass (you do lose some leadership though I guess).

 

I just really don't like the argument the players aren't good enough, this team is so much stronger than the one Howe inherited when he came in and he got a tune from them.  

 

In my opinion the teams still good enough, they are just massively under-performing for whatever reason. 

 

 

Last summer's window was meant to address any issues with an ageing squad as well I would presume. If they didn't it's because we bought badly and didn't prepare well enough. 

[Wallsendmag]

51 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

Bruno and Joe are 28 and 29, still absolutely at their peak so their age has nothing to do with it, I agree Trippier has declined with age, but it's not like we didn't know he was going to get older. Pope has just turned 34 so I guess age could be a problem for him as well, but that doesn't seem past it for a goalkeeper. 

 

We've lost one player. Claiming we've lost the spine of the team is a massive over-exaggeration. The under-performance shouldn't be due to age for most of these players and other than Isak and Trippier we haven't needed to replace a first team player (although for whatever reason it's become clear that Pope isn't it as well now). 

 

We have Tino at RB who on paper is as good as Trippier and I would imagine was the succession plan though he's obviously made of glass (you do lose some leadership though I guess).

 

I just really don't like the argument the players aren't good enough, this team is so much stronger than the one Howe inherited when he came in and he got a tune from them.  

 

In my opinion the teams still good enough, they are just massively under-performing for whatever reason. 

 

Sunderlands best player by a mile is 33. The likes of Bruno and Joelinton are just bairns in comparison 

[Pilko]

Murphy has been garbage and so infuriating this season, however the failing is the utterly shite "upgrade" in Elanga. After the numbers Murphy put up last season it was logical to want to keep him around for this season. If we'd bought someone who was able to contribute properly in the RW position it would have mitigated Murphy's downturn in form and we'd have seen much less of him anyway if the new player was performing regularly.

[PauloGeordio]

[Shearergol]

11 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

This is the first time I've considered wanting rid of Howe after reading Merson's thoughts.

[Robster]

Am I getting confused but didn't he say on Soccer Saturday, when Eddie was given the job, that it was a poor appointment ?

[TheEntertainer]

4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

This is the first time I've considered wanting rid of Howe after reading Merson's thoughts.

Yeah worrying that Merson's backing him as he's never been right about anything in his life

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He didn't mention a lizard conspiracy to get rid of Howe, odd. 

[sushimonster85]

10 minutes ago, Robster said:

Am I getting confused but didn't he say on Soccer Saturday, when Eddie was given the job, that it was a poor appointment ?

 

Look, I think Paul Merson is a big of a joke as anyone else does, but I'd say it's pretty fair for someone to have changed their mind over the course of 4 years.

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Look, I think Paul Merson is a big of a joke as anyone else does, but I'd say it's pretty fair for someone to have changed their mind over the course of 4 years.

 

 

He can change his mind. But that still just makes him a clueless idiot who has changed his mind. 

[Robster]

4 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Look, I think Paul Merson is a big of a joke as anyone else does, but I'd say it's pretty fair for someone to have changed their mind over the course of 4 years.

It's more about how massively wrong he was four years ago.

[Rafalove]

 

 

 

 

Almost as if we’re two different clubs.

[Kilcline]

1 minute ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

 

 

Almost as if we’re two different clubs.

Love it when the rage/engagement baiters don't even bother to buy thenselves a blue tick as they're that insufferable even they realise themselves they'd make a loss 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

12 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

Look, I think Paul Merson is a big of a joke as anyone else does, but I'd say it's pretty fair for someone to have changed their mind over the course of 4 years.

 

Almost everyone thought Eddie was as bad appointment I think. In the media anyway. 

[joeyt]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Almost everyone thought Eddie was as bad appointment I think. In the media anyway. 

 

Remember that bloke on here Gallowgate End hated Eddie Howe so much

 

Was convinced he was that Mouth of Tyne weirdo

[Mills and Boon]

I don't know why these Twitter nonces get any attention at all

[Kilcline]

14 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Remember that bloke on here Gallowgate End hated Eddie Howe so much

 

Was convinced he was that Mouth of Tyne weirdo

I'm still convinced 99% of the faceless NUFC accounts on Twitter are Burnsie and his burners

[The Larch]

I thought Eddie was an underwhelming appointment at first, but i quickly came to realise how great he was.

 

Over these last few matches I've begun to have doubts though, because i really expected to see our performances raise after we didnt have the champions league and cups to contend with - it looks like the number of games had little to do with the issues we've had this season.

 

To see us start with osula, murphy and willock up front, and burn at left back is worrying. I can only assume that there are massive issues in the dressing room.

 

If that's the case, then it just comes down to, is it easier for the owners to replace eddie or the players.

 

Of course I could be way off the mark - that's just how it seems to me with the scraps of information we have.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Yeah, realised on day one when he did a Baywatch run into training at 5am

[Weezertron]

To be a Debbie downer, the more I think about the squad the more of an impossible task it is. Not just for Eddie, but any one that might come in.

 

next season is gonna be another transitional season, as we transition from this transitional season.

 

there is a world where everything can go right, I suppose. We unearth many gems and offload all our shite for some kind of fee. 

Sunderland bought an entire side for the prem.

[Ronaldo]

This is the issue though. Eddie would rather go for a 7 out of 10 proven quantity than take a risk on a potential 8.5. His nature won’t let him think outside the box.

[Virtua Stiva]

5 hours ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

 

 

Almost as if we’re two different clubs.

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