Stuy_O Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) We’re too much of a soft touch mentality wise and that’s as much to blame as tactics imo when it comes to our inability to see a game out. would love to just see a bit of determination at the end of games to get the 3 points, but we don’t even seem arsed. Edited May 10 by Stuy_O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Mover Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Mills and Boon said: Ah. I think I get the problem. You don't know what you're talking about. That's why you're bringing long ball football and hammers into it. That's why you think we should play Woltemade in his proper position, despite him playing there more times this season than anywhere else and failing. That's why you think formation doesn't matter but also it's a problem that Howe is wedded to 4-4-2 at Bournemouth and 4-3-3 here. That's why you don't think Howe will change from a 4-3-3 to fit a number 10 in the side despite him doing exactly that today. I get it now. Cheers The problem is that Eddie bought Woltemade or at least signed off on him and not only is he not suited to playing in the premier league, Eddie cant find anyway of playing him where he's remotely effective. And he cost 70 million. Everyone involved in signing him should resign for gross incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said: I understand where you’re coming from with a massive BUT… …we created next to nothing in that 4-2-3-1 (which actually looked more like a 4-4-2 to me). All the talk on here at half time was how toothless we were. You know fine well how livid people would have been if it ended 0-0. He made the changes necessary to see us create another few clear cut chances. We scored one of them. So it was the right decision. Now I can understand why you might then say he should’ve moved back to it after we scored, but that’s all hindsight. We didn’t look like conceding until that one moment of quality from Anderson. It needed a shakeup in personnel and not the shape. The shape was fine and we had much better control of the game and a better defensive structure with it int he first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 47 minutes ago, LFEE said: Well he ain’t on the pitch Yes setups etc can play a part but by and large this season the fault has been on the individual players. As was today’s. So for one last time… what training would’ve prevented today’s? He’s not on the pitch We can add a new one to the lack of accountability list Isak sale Too many games Not enough training time All close games He’s not actually playing himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Forest have had 4 games in 10 days including getting battered off on of their rivals and yet if we played another 5 mins there was only one team going to win today I think that's pretty unacceptable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 We'll be miles better with one game a week etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, joeyt said: I really don't think it's much of a stretch that we could have used the last few weeks of training to stop conceding late goals but it's exactly the same The Sunderland game was awful however if we're being kind we'd had a grueling away game to Barcelona a few days earlier. We then had 3 weeks off(!) and did the exact same thing against a reserve Palace team. A week later we did the same against Bournemouth. We were fortunate Minteh missed a sitter otherwise it could have happened against Brighton. And it did happen again today We're just doing the same thing as we've done all season. Making subs late or not trying anything new. For all of Elanga's faults we could have at least put him or Gordon on today to try and give us an out ball just to do something different rather than watching old man Wissa walk around up front. Or put Trippier on for Hall who was struggling. Or go to a back 5 which we did relatively succesfully against Brighton (still feel that Minteh miss has saved us mind). If it's a mental thing then bring in a psychologist. 27 points dropped from winning positions all season - that doesn't include blowing leads against Marseille, Leverkusen and Barcelona. The issue is we don't seem to be learning at all. That saying about the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result This one is appropriate too: "Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern." We've conceded late how many times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, Stuy_O said: He’s not on the pitch We can add a new one to the lack of accountability list Isak sale Too many games Not enough training time All close games He’s not actually playing himself If Howe was playing today we don't concede that late equaliser mind. He gets the clearance off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, Menace said: We'll be miles better with one game a week etc Poor Forest have just played 3 games in 6 days. Don't know where they found the energy from for that late equaliser. They should have been running on empty by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: For people definitely wanting him in, are you happy for more of the same in terms of style of plat, or are you wanting him to change ? I wanted an evolution this season but from the transfers you could tell that was unlikely. im Howe in but I don’t expect him to change much. From the little thing he says like when he said he wasn’t a fan of possession for possessions sake. Sometimes you need to kill a game on the ball without scoring. It’s a big reason we’ve racked up massive wins because we always play direct football to score goals. Or it’s defending DEFENDING Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Our issues are psychological not physical and we need to replace the characters we've lost and remove the bad apples. Howe also needs to get some rest. This PL season hasn't been good enough. They all know that. They will all fix that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, UncleBingo said: Aw man, you should have said that the entertainment wasn't up to your standards, that changes everything. I mean I remember going up and down the A1 in the back of a Luton van in the 80's/90's and thinking 'we'd bloody better see some decent football today' ⚽️ You were in a van 40 years ago? Wild. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Heron said: Our issues are psychological not physical and we need to replace the characters we've lost and remove the bad apples. Howe also needs to get some rest. This PL season hasn't been good enough. They all know that. They will all fix that. More than psychological imo, tactical and technical issues as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, Mountain said: You were in a van 40 years ago? Wild. I thought that might have gone over your head. Much like the concept of support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: More than psychological imo, tactical and technical issues as well. Each to their own. We've been fine as we've built for the last 3(?) years before this one. A virus has hit before we've been able to evolve. But we shall overcome as we've done before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I have to say "well he's not on the pitch" is one of the daftest things I've read on here for a while in defence of a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I think a large part of Howe ball is psychological because it’s not the most technical or tactical gameplan. Most elite football is largely psychological anyway. Our defending isn’t as regimented aa a Rafa side. It relies on a certain something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Heron said: Each to their own. We've been fine as we've built for the last 3(?) years before this one. A virus has hit before we've been able to evolve. But we shall overcome as we've done before. We haven’t evolved, whilst others have. For me, if we can keep the ball better, have more players comfortable on it, then we immediately become better at keeping a lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, joeyt said: I have to say "well he's not on the pitch" is one of the daftest things I've read on here for a while in defence of a manager John Carver said that once and got absolutely ridiculed for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just got home. Enjoyed that away end (for the most) and thought we played ok. Context is key though. Forest were down to bare bones, having played less than 72 hours ago and missing most of their key players. Conceding late has become a trademark of the season and sadly the buck stops with the manager. I certainly wasn’t shocked when they scored - in fact I expected it. As I said we played Ok so feel harsh to go too heavy but Hall at RB and starting Burn and Joelinton on the left just blows my mind like. But I know that won’t be the popular opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Honestly he’s making so baffling decisions at the moment; playing Hall RB and Burn LB whilst Trippier is on the bench is crazy, I don’t care if Trippier is leaving. It’s hardly like he was experimenting for next year, we all know what Burn at LB is like. i also think it’s a bit strange how Ramsey is suddenly getting minimal minutes off the bench. He was one of our best players earlier this year and then just seemed to be dropped. He got a lovely assist today not long after coming on. Howe definitely has his favourites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Pilko said: John Carver said that once and got absolutely ridiculed for it. Rightfully so as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 38 minutes ago, Magpie Mover said: The problem is that Eddie bought Woltemade or at least signed off on him and not only is he not suited to playing in the premier league, Eddie cant find anyway of playing him where he's remotely effective. And he cost 70 million. Everyone involved in signing him should resign for gross incompetence. Show me one manager who hasn't signed a dud or two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: We haven’t evolved, whilst others have. For me, if we can keep the ball better, have more players comfortable on it, then we immediately become better at keeping a lead. Cannot disagree. I think we will evolve this summer though. Eddie doesn't rest on his laurels, although it may feel like it this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Heron said: Cannot disagree. I think we will evolve this summer though. Eddie doesn't rest on his laurels, although it may feel like it this season. Fingers crossed, I think a DM, who’s good on the ball could be transformative for us. We have been linked to a few as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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