Eddie Howe

[Danh1]

15 hours ago, Ikon said:

Like a bad fisherman saying there’s no fish in the sea. Absolute horse shit that there aren’t good enough athletes with very good technical ability out there that we can/could of got.

 

 

 

I refuse to accept that there wasn’t a more technically gifted footballer available for the amount we paid for Elanga. 

[Mills and Boon]

3 hours ago, Zero said:

 

Of course there are also some drawbacks. Just like Trippier - once a technically brilliant footballer with world class set piece skills - completely lost it after a few years. He was Englands best free kick taker.

 

 

 

You're not saying Howe has actively made Trippier a worse technical footballer in training are you?

 

For a start I don't think Tripps has an issue with his technique, but his legs are going. Something which is due to age and nowt to do with training methods 

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

I refuse to accept that there wasn’t a more technically gifted footballer available for the amount we paid for Elanga. 

Bournemouth picked up Rayan for £30m in January.

We had no interest in signing 19-yo's from Brazil for the first team.

[Holmesy]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Bournemouth picked up Rayan for £30m in January.

We had no interest in signing 19-yo's from Brazil for the first team.

There was a line in one the articles that said Eddie wanted him but Wilson blocked it. I've been one of Eddie's biggest critics but if that is true, it's a huge red flag

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

For the third time, my point is that even if we did get an extra 4 points or so and finished 8th this season, the constant moaners would still not be happy with it. I don't think an 8th place finish is enough to satisfy people who have been whinging their cunt out about Howe all season. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, fuck knows how you're struggling with it.

 

When we finished 7th some were happy enough, but there were also people making Howe Out noises too. It only stopped for a couple of months after the cup win, people were itching to get their pitchforks back out again

 

That's just an assumption from yourself as we didn't get an extra 4 points and finish 8th, we finished 12th. So it's basically irrelevant.

 

What we do know as fact is that when we finished 7th 2 seasons ago (level on points with 8th) there wasn't really any whinging or Howe out noises at all. Certainly anyone with that view was massively in the minority. I'll be honest I can't even think of anyone who wanted him sacked after that and why would they?

 

Last season was nowhere near good enough. The football was poor and loads of other flaws in our game, mentally (throwing away leads, conceding last minute goals and technically (awful ball retention) I don't think you'd get much argument against that. 

 

The debate is whether Howe can turn it around or not. The signs haven't been promising in my opinion. A lot of his backers said we'd see a big improvement when we reverted to 1 game per week after going out of Europe with 2 months of the season to play. Some even thought it would help us push for European qualification again. Didn't happen.

[Danh1]

7 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

There was a line in one the articles that said Eddie wanted him but Wilson blocked it. I've been one of Eddie's biggest critics but if that is true, it's a huge red flag

I read that we wanted him but not until the summer. Can’t remember where, probably Twitter bollocks (shock) 

[Fak]

9 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

There was a line in one the articles that said Eddie wanted him but Wilson blocked it. I've been one of Eddie's biggest critics but if that is true, it's a huge red flag

 

Was it blocked? I thought Wilson/NUFC said we'd go for him in the summer but then Vaso de Gama got a bid from Bournemouth in the January.

[nufcjmc]

Just now, Fak said:

 

Was it blocked? I thought Wilson/NUFC said we'd go for him in the summer but then Vaso de Gama got a bid from Bournemouth in the January.

I thought it was reported we wanted him but wanted it to happen in the summer and that then brings in to question did we or did we not have money to spend in jan as delay meant we missed out.

[The College Dropout]

We need to get back to being ruthless in the market; Gordon, Isak, Bruno - we were ruthless.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I thought it was reported we wanted him but wanted it to happen in the summer and that then brings in to question did we or did we not have money to spend in jan as delay meant we missed out.

Can always be creative. Loan with a minimum obligation to buy for summer.

[Holmesy]

19 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

That's just an assumption from yourself as we didn't get an extra 4 points and finish 8th, we finished 12th. So it's basically irrelevant.

 

What we do know as fact is that when we finished 7th 2 seasons ago (level on points with 8th) there wasn't really any whinging or Howe out noises at all. Certainly anyone with that view was massively in the minority. I'll be honest I can't even think of anyone who wanted him sacked after that and why would they?

 

Last season was nowhere near good enough. The football was poor and loads of other flaws in our game, mentally (throwing away leads, conceding last minute goals and technically (awful ball retention) I don't think you'd get much argument against that. 

 

The debate is whether Howe can turn it around or not. The signs haven't been promising in my opinion. A lot of his backers said we'd see a big improvement when we reverted to 1 game per week after going out of Europe with 2 months of the season to play. Some even thought it would help us push for European qualification again. Didn't happen.

I think this is the biggest concern. Those saying 'he's done it before so he'll do it again' generally don't present any facts or arguments as to why. Just faith, hope and statements like 'if we'd have got 5 more points we'd have been in Europe'.
And the first part isn't actually true. He turned around a sinking ship when he first joined, spent £750m and everything since has been an upwards trajectory. When it took its first downturn, he didn't seem to have any answers.
What we have witnessed this season is toilet football, worrying patterns that the manager couldn't arrest and an inflexibility that left certain players looking shite. And no acceptance from some sections at all that the manager is at fault for much of this. He's only responsible for the good stuff and the players are to blame when it doesn't go right.

I have as much love for Eddie as a person, and as the man who revived us, as everyone else but the fact that our current situation mirrors what happened at Bournemouth worries me. I don't want to see the same football any more - it's not great to watch and has been found out. It had its time. Could it be effective again with new players? Maybe but it doesn't really point to progress, evolution and top managerial prowess. 

The only way for him to win back the doubters IMO is to come back next season with something different. If it's more of the same, even if it is effective, I think the doubts will remain.

[Monters]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I think this is the biggest concern. Those saying 'he's done it before so he'll do it again' generally don't present any facts or arguments as to why. Just faith, hope and statements like 'if we'd have got 5 more points we'd have been in Europe'.
And the first part isn't actually true. He turned around a sinking ship when he first joined, spent £750m and everything since has been an upwards trajectory. When it took its first downturn, he didn't seem to have any answers.
What we have witnessed this season is toilet football, worrying patterns that the manager couldn't arrest and an inflexibility that left certain players looking shite. And no acceptance from some sections at all that the manager is at fault for much of this. He's only responsible for the good stuff and the players are to blame when it doesn't go right.

I have as much love for Eddie as a person, and as the man who revived us, as everyone else but the fact that our current situation mirrors what happened at Bournemouth worries me. I don't want to see the same football any more - it's not great to watch and has been found out. It had its time. Could it be effective again with new players? Maybe but it doesn't really point to progress, evolution and top managerial prowess. 

The only way for him to win back the doubters IMO is to come back next season with something different. If it's more of the same, even if it is effective, I think the doubts will remain.

I would argue the reverse is equally as strong in the quorum who want to change the manager... I struggle to argue against much else and maybe I am naively hoping for improvements but especially towards the end of the season I do think the whole squad were in a bit of funk and in need of a rest.

If they had changed I wouldn't have been as surprised or as disappointed as I would have imagined and I am as Howe in as anybody.

I do think the possession stuff gets over played on here - we lost a lot of games where we hade more possession than the opposition, as it always has been effective use of the ball is far more important than simply keeping a hold of it.  The last day of the season the only team who won and had more possession than the opposition was Arsenal. 

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, Monters said:

I would argue the reverse is equally as strong in the quorum who want to change the manager... I struggle to argue against much else and maybe I am naively hoping for improvements but especially towards the end of the season I do think the whole squad were in a bit of funk and in need of a rest.

If they had changed I wouldn't have been as surprised or as disappointed as I would have imagined and I am as Howe in as anybody.

I do think the possession stuff gets over played on here - we lost a lot of games where we hade more possession than the opposition, as it always has been effective use of the ball is far more important than simply keeping a hold of it.  The last day of the season the only team who won and had more possession than the opposition was Arsenal. 

The possession thing for me is less, let's play like Barca, although I would love us to move to a more possession-based game because we need to if we're going to consistently compete for top honours. Keep giving the ball back to top teams and you reap what you sow.
It's more that we seem to have a complete inability to keep it when we need to most. There is a naivety to us that has cost us time and time again - we keep attacking until the 95th minute and often concede when we're knackered. Whereas, putting our foot on the ball and knocking it around for 15 minutes to kill off games, winning cheap free kicks etc. would show we're learning from our mistakes. And it's increasingly important in seasons where we're fighting on multiple fronts.
When you're as easy to play through as we have been, gifting the ball to the opposition in the latter stages of a game when we're still pushing men forward and everyone is knackered, is suicidal. And yet we did it all season.
 

[Monters]

3 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The possession thing for me is less, let's play like Barca, although I would love us to move to a more possession-based game because we need to if we're going to consistently compete for top honours. Keep giving the ball back to top teams and you reap what you sow.
It's more that we seem to have a complete inability to keep it when we need to most. There is a naivety to us that has cost us time and time again - we keep attacking until the 95th minute and often concede when we're knackered. Whereas, putting our foot on the ball and knocking it around for 15 minutes to kill off games, winning cheap free kicks etc. would show we're learning from our mistakes. And it's increasingly important in seasons where we're fighting on multiple fronts.
When you're as easy to play through as we have been, gifting the ball to the opposition in the latter stages of a game when we're still pushing men forward and everyone is knackered, is suicidal. And yet we did it all season.
 

Yep, I totally get that and can't argue against it.  There a lot of posts that simply just bang the possession drum and we often do have the lions share... Virtually the whole league cedes possession when they are winning as born out by the stats on the final day of the season but if you are doing that and getting your pocket picked time after time then it becomes a massive problem as you rightly point out. 

[Wallsendmag]

I lost all faith in the possession stat having much meaning when we battered Brendan Rodgers' Swansea team 2-0 with 25% or so of it.

[nufcjmc]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Can always be creative. Loan with a minimum obligation to buy for summer.

Well we either didn't try or we did try and they stepped in doing a deal there and then.

 

Either way if your a positive person the recruitment team can still spot a gem based on his performance after signing.

 

Or negatively that us not acting has let us miss out on someone who in hindsight appears to be a good pick up at 30m-ish.

[Kilcline]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

I think this is the biggest concern. Those saying 'he's done it before so he'll do it again' generally don't present any facts or arguments as to why. Just faith, hope and statements like 'if we'd have got 5 more points we'd have been in Europe'.
And the first part isn't actually true. He turned around a sinking ship when he first joined, spent £750m and everything since has been an upwards trajectory. When it took its first downturn, he didn't seem to have any answers.
What we have witnessed this season is toilet football, worrying patterns that the manager couldn't arrest and an inflexibility that left certain players looking shite. And no acceptance from some sections at all that the manager is at fault for much of this. He's only responsible for the good stuff and the players are to blame when it doesn't go right.

I have as much love for Eddie as a person, and as the man who revived us, as everyone else but the fact that our current situation mirrors what happened at Bournemouth worries me. I don't want to see the same football any more - it's not great to watch and has been found out. It had its time. Could it be effective again with new players? Maybe but it doesn't really point to progress, evolution and top managerial prowess. 

The only way for him to win back the doubters IMO is to come back next season with something different. If it's more of the same, even if it is effective, I think the doubts will remain.

Thought "I'm nicking that", and also a random Google later 

[andycap]

1 hour ago, Monters said:

Yep, I totally get that and can't argue against it.  There a lot of posts that simply just bang the possession drum and we often do have the lions share... Virtually the whole league cedes possession when they are winning as born out by the stats on the final day of the season but if you are doing that and getting your pocket picked time after time then it becomes a massive problem as you rightly point out. 

This possession we had was given to us by the opposition man utd away sunderland away as examples, they knew we couldn't do anything with it. 

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

I lost all faith in the possession stat having much meaning when we battered Brendan Rodgers' Swansea team 2-0 with 25% or so of it.

34% in the final against Liverpool as well. I think it's more the ability to play that kind of football when it's necessary, like against inferior opposition who sit deep - they just nick it off us and hit us on the break.
But we currently don't have the ability to do it at all, and I refuse to believe it's because our international footballers can't pass and move. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think we just need to be technically better rather than necessarily have higher possession percentage. So that we don't make so many errors, invite so much pressure on ourselves and waste so many good opportunities. 

[Superior Acuña]

Can't believe how active this thread still is Have a good summer lads.

[Ben]

12 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Can't believe how active this thread still is Have a good summer lads.

 

Its pissing down and it looks like it will continue to piss down for the next week, what else can we do ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

19 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Its pissing down and it looks like it will continue to piss down for the next week, what else can we do ?

 

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[TRon]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

I lost all faith in the possession stat having much meaning when we battered Brendan Rodgers' Swansea team 2-0 with 25% or so of it.

 

 

Possession for it's own sake is useless. But even having the ability to keep possession instead of sending the ball into touch Anthony Elanga-style is worth quite a lot. 

[Mills and Boon]

4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

That's just an assumption from yourself as we didn't get an extra 4 points and finish 8th, we finished 12th. So it's basically irrelevant.

 

It was a reply to a guy saying most of the critics would have been happy to finish 8th. You aren't the arbiter of relevance here, mush.

 

4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What we do know as fact is that when we finished 7th 2 seasons ago (level on points with 8th) there wasn't really any whinging or Howe out noises at all. Certainly anyone with that view was massively in the minority. I'll be honest I can't even think of anyone who wanted him sacked after that and why would they?

 

Wrong. Don't care whether it's selective memory or you're just outright talking crap to rewrite history, but there were loads of people on Howe's back for the 7th place finish. Just like now, Twitter and Reddit was rife with it, to the point where people were discussing how long he had left in this thread. Thanks for accidentally proving my point again