Eddie Howe

[KaKa]

27 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

No issue with different opinions; just those which have no basis in reality but which are persistently rehashed with a misplaced certainty and confidence.

 

I don't understand why they don't get this 

 

Nah, they're just keeping it real and demanding better standards, unlike you happy clappers!

 

Lord give me strength!

[80]

Just now, LiquidAK said:

 

Sure, it doesn't apply to every manager. A Steve Bruce for example, I'd assume he's probably just incompetent. Same with the Tories, but add a little "just evil" into the mix as well. Howe has absolutely done enough to make the default assumption be that he's not an idiot though.

Certainly agree on the Howe point. It's just that there are probably some exceptions to the default, but we're still working out what exactly they are I suppose.

[LiquidAK]

In a long list of tiresome bullshit, I think "negativity = grown-up" might be topping my list these days.

 

(not aimed at 80, posts just lined up that way)

 

 

Edited April 1 by LiquidAK

[Abacus]

11 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Wish you would sack Howe. We could turf Ten Hag and get the gang back together in Manchester. 

 

 

A master at his craft. 

 

In real life, I'd bet there's not more than 1 in a hundred people here that would want rid of Howe, and each of that minority need a crane kick to come their senses.

 

Criticism is fine, of course - it's a discussion board after all, and the best managers always have coaches that will challenge them. Not that we're coaches, just a bunch of well-meaning idiots myself included, which should probably be the subtitle of this forum.

[toon25]

39 minutes ago, ShootShoot said:

Reminded of Thatcher outside Downing St being questionned about the Belgrano getting torpedoed - " Just Rejoice " 

Its not wrong to focus on an ongoing problem in the shape of the defence as opposed to trying to ignore it 

 

 

[80]

1 minute ago, LiquidAK said:

In a long list of tiresome bullshit, I think "negativity = grown-up" might be topping my list these days.

 

(not aimed at 80, posts just lined up that way)

 

 

 

Didn't take it that way

[LiquidAK]

Just now, 80 said:

Didn't take it that way

Good, I hit post and your post appeared above it so wanted to make sure it wasn't misconstrued

[KaKa]

27 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I don't think there's a better alternative right now than Eddie but christ let's not pretend he's perfect. It's okay to question him (and any future manager) just as we questioned KK, SBR & Rafa before him.

 

Once again, no one is saying he's perfect. And absolutely no manager is by the way.

 

The issue is the constant nit picking over everything and making out he's some sort of clueless idiot, which is the real issue here.

 

Despite his imperfections he's done great work and continues to do so despite some challenges this season. 

 

And looking at his approach to things it is very likely he will continue to learn and improve on things going forward.

 

This is not the calibre of manager or person to disregard so willy nilly.

 

 

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Once again, no one is saying he's perfect. And absolutely no manager is by the way.

 

The issue is the constant nit picking over everything and making out he's some sort of clueless idiot, which is the real issue here.

 

Despite his imperfections he's done great work and continues to do so despite some challenges this season. 

 

And looking at his approach to things it is very likely he will continue to learn and improve on things going forward.

 

This is not the calibre of manager or person to disregard so willy nilly.

 

 

 

This is the only doubt I have about him. When I look at this season, I don't see it. 

 

I think we may need some outside influence in the backroom staff, show other ways of working.  

[SUPERTOON]

27 minutes ago, gbandit said:

There’s not a single person on the forum that thinks we’re doing well defensively. A lot of people understand this is due to major injuries.
 

Some think that’s to do with Howe overworking players, others think it’s a balance of bad lack and overworking. Some recognise the overworking has been necessary.

 

Should we play a different system of football? Fuck knas, if we play with a low block it changes our philosophy and everything about how we play. Howe has opted to play the same way, likely because of his philosophy and also because fundamentally changing how we play with a bunch of new players would cause major problems. 
 

These circular arguments are a waste of everyone’s time. Just enjoy Easter and if you cant switch off or enjoy that win then find a hobby 

We did this very successfully with lesser players from about January onwards in his first season. I have been wondering why we haven’t tried it this season.

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

This is the only doubt I have about him. When I look at this season, I don't see it. 

 

I think we may need some outside influence in the backroom staff, show other ways of working.  

 

Yeah, you don't see it because you refuse to acknowledge the effect the unavailability of certain players has had on our approach.

 

You also think just changing formation or the way the team plays is something that can just be done at the drop of a hat in the middle of the season to fix everything immediately. Or simply dropping any player that makes a mistake will fix things too.

 

This is not a realistic perspective.

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, Theregulars said:

My goodness! Like a little doggo with a chew bone. A really unique combination of ignorant, pugnacious and annoying. 
 

I’ve clearly responded to the point you made accusing Howe of tactical inflexibility / ineptitude by saying that there are obvious mitigating circumstances that mean he can’t really do much in terms of flexibility. It’s like collecting your weekly shop, finding half of it rotten, and then expecting a greater variety of meals and snacks from the lesser pool. You’re asking for something that isn’t possible. 

 

It’s so obvious that you’re butt hurt that Newcastle aren’t as successful as last year and you’re rounding on the manager as you’ve nothing else to focus disappointment on. Tbh your likely joyless existence is probably a fair price to pay for it all. 

 

While we’re playing the patronising internet links game, here are some for you:

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/projection?amp

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

https://www.psychmechanics.com/signs-of-low-intelligence/

 

 

 

Players being injured doesn’t mean he can’t change the tactics involving the players he does put out, it is absolutely ridiculous to think we can’t deviate from the standard 4-3-3 with a high line no matter the players we put on the pitch.

 

If you have a keeper that you rely on to sweep allowing you to play a high line, then that keeper is injured and the replacement can’t sweep, you don’t carry on playing that high line, especially when you are shipping a high number of goals in the process.

 

 

[Theregulars]

1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:

Players being injured doesn’t mean he can’t change the tactics involving the players he does put out, it is absolutely ridiculous to think we can’t deviate from the standard 4-3-3 with a high line no matter the players we put on the pitch.

 

If you have a keeper that you rely on to sweep allowing you to play a high line, then that keeper is injured and the replacement can’t sweep, you don’t carry on playing that high line, especially when you are shipping a high number of goals in the process.

 

 

You really must write all this to the manager - I’m genuinely concerned he’s not noticed or thought about it.

[LiquidAK]

Howe isn't beyond criticism btw. Personally I think he's made a mistake with Hall - he's obviously held him back feeling that he's not ready, and maybe that approach will bear fruit, but I think given how bare-bones we've been that policy probably needed relaxing earlier. I also think he's been too reticent to swap out Burn or Longstaff. 

 

That said, I'm not looking at those decisions and saying "clearly I'm right and he's wrong, the big idiot". My criticism has to be tempered with the knowledge that he has a lot more information than I do and he's making a judgement based on that. If he's gambled on these decisions and it's not come off, that's just the nature of football management, not every decision is going to go the right way. The difference is I'm confident that he'll get more right than he gets wrong.

[Matt1892]

Just now, Theregulars said:

You really must write all this to the manager - I’m genuinely concerned he’s not noticed or thought about it.

You are not the only one concerned.

[Matt1892]

17 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

We did this very successfully with lesser players from about January onwards in his first season. I have been wondering why we haven’t tried it this season.

The option would be you drop the defenders back to make more of a low block, then you would look at dropping 2 of the midfielders to slightly deeper so you don’t create a space between them and the defence, then pushing the other midfielder slightly forward to link between them and the attack.

 

It would give you a formation similar to Liverpool and Brighton then and would cut out a lot of the issues with being exposed at the back.

[Theregulars]

If you think Howe is actually inflexible then in my view you’re not watching the games or you don’t understand football beyond surface level. Clearly on Saturday our tactics changed to overloading their right back with hall, Anderson and Barnes and we went all out attack with the fullbacks. One can make tactical changes without fundamentally changing the formation. he sacrificed 2 defensive positions for an offensive overwhelm and he was richly, totally and justly rewarded.

[Theregulars]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

The option would be you drop the defenders back to make more of a low block, then you would look at dropping 2 of the midfielders to slightly deeper so you don’t create a space between them and the defence, then pushing the other midfielder slightly forward to link between them and the attack.

 

It would give you a formation similar to Liverpool and Brighton then and would cut out a lot of the issues with being exposed at the back.

And what about the sacrifice of attacking intent and pressing which that involves? 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Theregulars said:

And what about the sacrifice of attacking intent and pressing which that involves? 

In fairness, we haven’t pressed that effectively for a while now.

[Matt1892]

Just now, Theregulars said:

And what about the sacrifice of attacking intent and pressing which that involves? 

What pressing?

[Theregulars]

I can’t help you. Mind how you go.

[Theregulars]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

In fairness, we haven’t pressed that effectively for a while now.

Perhaps because we’re having to be more balanced because of the injuries, totally undermining the already wrong point that he offers no tactical flexibility. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Theregulars said:

Perhaps because we’re having to be more balanced because of the injuries, totally undermining the already wrong point that he offers no tactical flexibility. 

Don’t get me wrong I understand the reasoning, just saying I wouldn’t have minded seeing us try out a low block (we did so to some degree at home to Wolves and we looked really solid).

[Matt1892]

1 minute ago, Theregulars said:

Perhaps because we’re having to be more balanced because of the injuries, totally undermining the already wrong point that he offers no tactical flexibility. 

You just asked how we keep up the pressing as if it was a reason for us not changing things up, then when it is pointed out to you that we don’t press effectively anymore you claim it shows Howe’s tactical flexibility by stopping us pressing.

[Smal]

Our pressing has been off/late/non-existent since October but that can be put down, more or less 100%, to injuries and the period where we had to field the same XI for a dozen games screwing our players up physically.

 

What I don't think can be defended as easily is that we haven't changed our midfield/defensive structure to defend transitions better. Sticking to your principles is fine and generally what the best managers do, but we have been conceding the same goal 2 or 3 times a game for about 3 months now with zero sign of it changing which surely has to be a major concern.

 

 

Edited April 1 by Smal