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8 minutes ago, madras said:

We don't because we didn't have the players for it or are we legally bound to ? Eddie said in close season we had to become more possession based, that's not going  to happen with our version of 433 designed to press and break quick.

 

Tonali will end up playing in a middle 2 for us, I hope it's with Bruno.

This is a good idea. There's just no evidence for it.

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


It is the managers preferred formation and he has only moved away from it trial wingbacks.

 

He has not attempted a double pivot even in preseason friendlies, so to argue he has bought a player to play there based on him saying we need to retain possession more is clutching at straws at best.

His preferred formation at Bournemouth was always 442, 4411, maybe his preferred formation is what gets the best out of what he's got and he's not wedded to any formation and that will change as needs dictate.

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3 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:


It is the managers preferred formation and he has only moved away from it trial wingbacks.

 

He has not attempted a double pivot even in preseason friendlies, so to argue he has bought a player to play there based on him saying we need to retain possession more is clutching at straws at best.

Tonali was here days really, he signed and went off with the national squad and we know how gradually he does things, see Bruno and Botman. Tonali wouldn't have started V Villa had Longstaff been fit, then it's get him fit enough, used to the pace, then changes in formations etc which may not ha e started until after the Champs league was out the way.

 

Why else buy an international central midfielder who's best football has been in a 2 and would allow Bruno to push ona and be that bit more creative ?

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6 minutes ago, madras said:

I'd say the Tonali signing was evidence.

He signed Barnes a LW. So we are going to play 2 left-wingers to accommodate him and Gordon.

 

Tonali isn't even a possession-style player like that.  Tonali & Barnes on paper plug & play pretty well with Howe's high-intensity system. 1 midfielder isn't going to turn us into a possession side.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, madras said:

His preferred formation at Bournemouth was always 442, 4411, maybe his preferred formation is what gets the best out of what he's got and he's not wedded to any formation and that will change as needs dictate.


He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it?

 

He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali.

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

He signed Barnes a LW. So we are going to play 2 left-wingers to accommodate him and Gordon.

 

Tonali isn't even a possession-style player like that.  Tonali & Barnes on paper plug & play pretty well with Howe's high-intensity system

Gordon has played plenty on the right and offers cross cover and off a forward.

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Just now, Matt1892 said:


He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it?

 

He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali.

That was his preferred during his Bournemouth days, he has spent a lot of time with other elite managers since then. 
 

Also, it’s worthy of noting the system he used to play isn’t played by other top teams in football. 

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3 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:


He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it?

 

He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali.

What's Peps formation or does it evolve ?

 

Also I think he was thinking it had been started to be found out last season, we did tweak it.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, madras said:

What's Peps formation or does it evolve ?

 

Also I think he was thinking it had been started to be found out last season, we did tweak it.

 

 

 


Fingers crossed we get to see the double pivot on Saturday then. 

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2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Is Howe’s press conference today?  Was expecting it to be a couple of days before.  Itching to listen to the man speak - he normally instills some confidence (and I’m not the one playing)

Hasn't been working lately. Though I do feel we just need a win and we'll go on a run when players are returning.

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2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Is Howe’s press conference today?  Was expecting it to be a couple of days before.  Itching to listen to the man speak - he normally instills some confidence (and I’m not the one playing)

 

9am

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9 hours ago, Matt1892 said:


Fingers crossed we get to see the double pivot on Saturday then. 

Not until we have the players to do it ie when Tonali is back.

 

We did kind of try it at Leeds last season when Joelinton played a lot more central allowing Bruno to get forward a bit more. Abandoned after about half an hour cos Joe couldn't do it 

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I have an almost irrational hatred of the double pivot, not that it isn't possibly useless but there was a period  where every team was playing 4-2-3-1 with 2 players in midfield sat in front of a back 4 and there weren't many goals

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3 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

I have an almost irrational hatred of the double pivot, not that it isn't possibly useless but there was a period  where every team was playing 4-2-3-1 with 2 players in midfield sat in front of a back 4 and there weren't many goals

Agreed.

 

Don't Villa essentially play with a double-pivot? They do it well. It's a lot more fluid than the old 4231 though. Often looks like a back 3.

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16 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

I have an almost irrational hatred of the double pivot, not that it isn't possibly useless but there was a period  where every team was playing 4-2-3-1 with 2 players in midfield sat in front of a back 4 and there weren't many goals


Its a system we should adopt away from home tbh - and should work well with Tonali - we’ve been too soft recently 

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25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed.

 

Don't Villa essentially play with a double-pivot? They do it well. It's a lot more fluid than the old 4231 though. Often looks like a back 3.

It is and there's a laziness creeping in in football circles where any set up with 2 CM's is labelled a double pivot.

 

Also re Villa's back 4 often looking like a 3 when in possession.......does it sound familiar?

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22 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Kamara is a DM by trade so I guess his instincts will be to stay back. But I don’t know much about their system. 

Douglas Luiz plays alongside him deep. Luiz is more of an all-rounder, the progressive passer.

 

In my mind it often ends up something like:

 

Konsa Torres Digne

Luiz Kamara

Bailey/Cash McGinn

Diaby Watkins

 

Torres & Luiz progressing play from deep.

 

 

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2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Kamara is a DM by trade so I guess his instincts will be to stay back. But I don’t know much about their system. 

 

Another successful team with a specialist DM. If only.

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