Eddie Howe

[Theregulars]

33 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

You just asked how we keep up the pressing as if it was a reason for us not changing things up, then when it is pointed out to you that we don’t press effectively anymore you claim it shows Howe’s tactical flexibility by stopping us pressing.

No, you fucking dullard. I am saying that he is instructing us to press less because he’s having to adapt tactically to the personnel available and the levels of fatigue / physical possibility. 

 

It’s grating enough to read your incorrect analysis spouted like a hot take of concrete factual certainty, but you then take it to another level telling people what their points are when you’ve misunderstood in the first place.

 

Genuinely: you don’t have the brain or knowledge for this. 
 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by Theregulars

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

Once again, no one is saying he's perfect. And absolutely no manager is by the way.

 

The issue is the constant nit picking over everything and making out he's some sort of clueless idiot, which is the real issue here.

 

Despite his imperfections he's done great work and continues to do so despite some challenges this season. 

 

And looking at his approach to things it is very likely he will continue to learn and improve on things going forward.

 

This is not the calibre of manager or person to disregard so willy nilly.

 

 

 

Once again I don't see any evidence of this.

[Kanji]

To finish the season, I'd like to see him go with this team:

 

GK: Dub (Pope replacing when fit)

 

LB: Hall

LCB: Burn

RCB: Schar

RB: Trippier

 

CM: Bruno

CM: Willock

CM: Anderson/Longstaff

 

LW: Barnes

ST: Isak

RW: Gordon

[Groundhog63]

29 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

This is what makes me laugh.

 

When the changes then completely stifle our attack and invite even more pressure because we're pinned back in our half, then they'll moan about that.

 

Think they have all the answers.

Totally. For some reason they think us just easily slipping into a low block won't equal the Alamo ???

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

Totally. For some reason they think us just easily slipping into a low block won't equal the Alamo ???

We did it quite successfully against Wolves at home in fairness. 

[Kid Icarus]

Is there really any need to speak to Matt like that? Jesus wept man.

[Matt1892]

10 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

No, you fucking dullard. I am saying that he is instructing us to press less because he’s having to adapt tactically to the personnel available and the levels of fatigue / physical possibility. 

 

It’s grating enough to read your incorrect analysis spouted like a hot take of concrete factual certainty, but you then take it to another level telling people what their points are when you’ve misunderstood in the first place.

 

Genuinely: you don’t have the brain or knowledge for this. 
 

 

 

 

 

You didn’t, you highlighted the issue with changing would impact our press when we don’t effectively press anymore. Anyone who watches us play with the basic understanding of football can see that we hardly press the opposition.

 

If you are in that much of a flap about it that the only thing you have left is name calling then maybe avoid anyone who has a different opinion to you going forward, especially when you struggle to articulate your point.

[midds]

Locking this for a few hours. Suggest some people have a look back and chill out when it's open again. Jesus, lads

[midds]

Right, I'm unlocking this in a bit, can I urge everyone to be respectful and tolerant of each other please. By all means debate things as that's the whole point of the place but there's no need to get personal or make people feel shit, it's not on. There's always going to be differences of opinions but there's no need to be a twat because you disagree. Play the ball, not the man please gentlemen

[Guest]

LONG LIVE EDDIE HOWE

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, Jack27 said:

LONG LIVE EDDIE HOWE

[TRon]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Twitter rumours suggest Tino misses tomorrow, Miggy is going to be a bad one.

 

Might end another potential source of revenue if it means Miggy is out beyond the summer. He'll be on his final year of his contract by then. Not that I thought he was going to agree to a sale anyway.

[astraguy]

17 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

Our Keegan/Sir Bobby rolled into one if given time (My era)

[80]

3 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

I think he'll definitely be doing this during the off-season, especially having faced some new and different challenges this season, with having had to balance the demands of European football for the first time. Can't see him resting on his laurels at all. 

I certainly don't think he rests on his laurels over the summer, far from it. But I'm not sure how much of that time is spent focusing on the hard realities of here and now - like new tactics for maximizing his players and finessing recovery periods between games - ahead of more abstract things affecting his fundamental approach to management - like to what extent should he seek to control all elements of a performance.

 

He's certainly capable of that reflection, he's already done it, but it's easy to default into old habits when placed under duress too.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is I could imagine him being what he is here already plus an extra 10% through standard hard work, but that there's scope for him to go up to another level as a manager if one or two things click in his mind. But there's a risk he might not give himself the time and space to let those things click if he's dutifully maximising the bread and butter issues all the time, and events (like our injury crisis) overtake him.

[Vinny Green Balls]

It's crazy that this thread has become nearly as grim as it was in early 2022 when we were looking good for relegation.

[Lush Vlad]

24 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

It's crazy that this thread has become nearly as grim as it was in early 2022 when we were looking good for relegation.

I’m guilty of reactive takes, for sure. I was also being a bit tongue in cheek the other week when I said the media has it right about our fans. Too expectant and deluded.
 

But if this season is anything to go by. Certain fans really have lost all patience and have become unhappy off the back of a wonder season. Where we defied all expectations.  
 

Whilst there are plenty of valid criticisms. When you consider all of the injuries. We could still end up having a very good season, in the face of adversity and we’re not in a bad position.
 

6th-8th would have been decent enough even if we had most of our players available.

 

 

Edited April 1 by Lush Vlad

[80]

3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Once again I don't see any evidence of this.

I think that's unfair, there is clear evidence of him learning and improving across time. There's no way I accept the idea that we lucked into having a good defence for 18 months, as I've heard some people float as an idea lately.

 

But it's not only positive on that score, and he's shown an inflexibility, particularly over the past 2-4 months. I think at times he lets the perfect be the enemy of the good, as the phrase goes, as he's fixated on trying to achieve the ultimate performance - he's reluctant to experiment with something before it's been carefully thought out and thoroughly tested in training.

 

Overall that's powerful, but it can entrench the bad as well as the good at time-critical moments.

 

 

Edited April 1 by 80

[KaKa]

3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Once again I don't see any evidence of this.

 

We've all heard him talk about the way he works and looks to continue to learn.

 

If that's not good enough for you then I don't know what to tell you.

[gbandit]

6 minutes ago, 80 said:

I think that's unfair, there is clear evidence of him learning and improving across time. There's no way I accept the idea that we lucked into having a good defence for 18 months, as I've heard some people float as an idea lately. But it's not only positive on that score, and he's shown an inflexibility, particularly over the past 2-4 months.

 

I think at times he lets the perfect be the enemy of the good, as the phrase goes, as he's fixated on trying to achieve the ultimate performance - he's reluctant to experiment with something before it's been carefully thought out and thoroughly tested in training. Overall that's powerful, but it can entrench the bad as well as the good at time-critical moments.

 

 

 

Very fair take

[Rod]

7 minutes ago, 80 said:

I think that's unfair, there is clear evidence of him learning and improving across time. There's no way I accept the idea that we lucked into having a good defence for 18 months, as I've heard some people float as an idea lately. But it's not only positive on that score, and he's shown an inflexibility, particularly over the past 2-4 months.

 

I think at times he lets the perfect be the enemy of the good, as the phrase goes, as he's fixated on trying to achieve the ultimate performance - he's reluctant to experiment with something before it's been carefully thought out and thoroughly tested in training. Overall that's powerful, but it can entrench the bad as well as the good at time-critical moments.

 

 

 

I'm still trying to fathom out what the last paragraph is about.  Is it just waffle?

[wormy]

With Howe and his learning of lessons I get the feeling we won't see the main fruits of such learnings until the following season more often than not.

 

Whatever people's thoughts on him I don't think anyone in their right mind that would argue he isn't meticulous to a fault. So much so I imagine he's often going to be loathe to change what he spent a whole summer devising then drumming in to the team.

 

It's even more reason why I really am interested to see if he changes much/a lot about the makeup of the team going in to next season, whether it's personnel or tactics. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

15 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

We've all heard him talk about the way he works and looks to continue to learn.

 

If that's not good enough for you then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I'm not disputing the fact that he learns, I'm just saying we've got no evidence to suggest it's true. It's something I've read on here more than once and I can't understand how anyone has come to that conclusion based on the fact that last season we were mint and this season we've been quite disappointing on multiple occasions.

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I'm not disputing the fact that he learns, I'm just saying we've got no evidence to suggest it's true. It's something I've read on here more than once and I can't understand how anyone has come to that conclusion based on the fact that last season we were mint and this season we've been quite disappointing on multiple occasions.

Does it honestly need explaining AGAIN?

[KaKa]

10 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I'm not disputing the fact that he learns, I'm just saying we've got no evidence to suggest it's true. It's something I've read on here more than once and I can't understand how anyone has come to that conclusion based on the fact that last season we were mint and this season we've been quite disappointing on multiple occasions.

 

Despite everything that has been said in this thread you're still talking about being confused about why we were mint last season and now we are not?

 

Someone even posted a graph that showed at the start of this season we were on track with last season prior to losing key personnel.

 

And still you can't get your head around things? 

 

It's as simple as were not good anymore so the manager isn't learning?!

 

This is somewhat terrifying man.

 

 

Edited April 1 by KaKa

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Despite everything that has been said in this thread you're still talking about being confused about why we were mint last season and now we are not?

 

Someone even posted a graph that showed at the start of this season we were on track with last season prior to losing key personnel.

 

And still you can't get your head around things? 

 

It's as simple as were not good anymore so the manager isn't learning?!

 

This is somewhat terrifying man.

 

 

 

 

Completely missed the point. We've obviously been massively hampered by injuries ffs ?