Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Also when you have no idea on a front, maybe don’t articulate anything further.

Yeah, fair enough

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

thanks for being grown up about the snarkiness. 

[OoOGazOoO]

5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

Huge overreaction as always 

 

We are probably paying 7th/8th highest wages in the premier league. 

 

I think we will finish 6th or 7th 

 

We still have some very average squad players.

 

Dont know why people can’t see this.

Only absolute astute scouting / signings will get us back into the top 4/5.

 

It’s going to be a super slow build.

 

i am enjoying us at least being competitive again and have ambitious owners willing to put money in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

But you missed the Wins over Arsenal, Chelsea and Nottingham Forest having their first home defeat against Newcastle. Strange that!

[Danh1]

5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

Huge overreaction as always 

 

We are probably paying 7th/8th highest wages in the premier league. 

 

I think we will finish 6th or 7th 

 

We still have some very average squad players.

 

Dont know why people can’t see this.

Only absolute astute scouting / signings will get us back into the top 4/5.

 

It’s going to be a super slow build.

 

i am enjoying us at least being competitive again and have ambitious owners willing to put money in.

 

 

 

 

 

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

Don't know where to start actually.  Do you not think Howe would love to let's say Rodri in midfield?

Bellingham (spelling) playing for us instead of Real Madrid?

Salah, KaKa etc.  He's forced to "keep" these "average" players because he has no other option.  Do we just release Almiron and Lonstaff because you and others think they are not worthy?  What would be the point in that?  Get a grip on reality man.

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

Ultimately Howe doesn’t decide who stays or goes. We needed stronger leadership to make tough decisions. None of the people who should have made the call are here for the long term (Howe aside) now. 

[TRon]

32 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

 

We were more effective in the second half of the season when he first joined and signed Burn, Trippier and Wood. Not because we played better football, but because we gave nothing away and defended brilliantly. Now we look like a side stuck between two stools. Attacking without real belief or intent, and looking vulnerable at the back when we lose possession high up the pitch. I just don't think Howe has worked out how to make this bunch of players work, and ultimately that's his job.

[Danh1]

11 minutes ago, Rod said:

Don't know where to start actually.  Do you not think Howe would love to let's say Rodri in midfield?

Bellingham (spelling) playing for us instead of Real Madrid?

Salah, KaKa etc.  He's forced to "keep" these "average" players because he has no other option.  Do we just release Almiron and Lonstaff because you and others think they are not worthy?  What would be the point in that?  Get a grip on reality man.

Take it you didn’t read my post then?
 

I literally said that Almiron would’ve been a good player to sell whilst his stock was high, instead he got a new deal. Now he is essentially dead wood and can’t get a look in, reportedly we want to sell him in January.

 

It’s nothing to do with having Rodri and all to do with being clever in terms of PSR and improving the team. 

[andyc35i]

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

[Geogaddi]

The weird thing about the Villa collapse is they have had nowhere near the amount of injuries we had last season and the champions league is also far easier this season than we had it last season.

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

Just heard Agbonlahor talking about Villa and the PSR issue. I know he comes across as a wanker at times but he’s bang on about the PSR issue. They’re in the same bit as us, hands tied by ludicrous rules. 

[ExiledGeordie]

Just now, Geogaddi said:

The weird thing about the Villa collapse is they have had nowhere near the amount of injuries we had last season and the champions league is also far easier this season than we had it last season.

Yeah I didn’t think they struggle as badly as this.

[Ikon]

9 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

If if if. I see this often on here. We have the points we deserve, it’s as simple as that. If a team can’t finish and be more clinical/confident/defending well enough then it is what it is. It’s not like we’ve been fucked over by the refs countless times, everything against us. 
 

Im not too worried about the points/position right now. I am thought from what I can see on the pitch. How little we can get out of this group of players at the moment. Our lack of control/quality in possession. Our shape and lack of creativity and so on. 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Ikon

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, Ikon said:

If if if. I see this often on here. We have the points we deserve, it’s as simple as that. If a team can’t finish and be more clinical/confident/defending well enough then it is what it is. It’s not like we’ve been fucked over by the refs countless times, everything against us. 
 

Im not too worried about the points/position right now. I am thought from what I can see on the pitch. How little we can get out of this group of players at the moment. Our lack of control/quality in possession. Our shape and lack of creativity and so on. 

 

 

 

This is a good point, our position and points in the league doesn’t concern me hugely but our general play is a huge concern. Currently I’m worried about whether we can beat Leicester and Ipswich at home. The next 4-6 games are massive for Howe imo.

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

23 hours ago, Holmesy said:

Pretending we are?! What have you been watching because it’s clearly not the same games I, and most others have.

Describe our current identity and attacking gameplan? How are we trying to break teams down?

 

As I have said a hundred times on here, I have made no secret of the fact I don’t think Eddie is the guy to take us to the next level. I love him as a person but I think he has already reached his ceiling and bounced off it. 
Am I willing him to fail? No, of course not. Like everyone, I am willing him to succeed. 

But do I think we need minor tweaks to go on a winning run that secures European football? again no. I think we need a whole new gameplan.

Nothing we are seeing suggests we are close.

Do I think Eddie is the kind of guy and manager to rip up the script and do something radically different to give us fresh impetus? No, but I seriously hope he proves me wrong, and if he does I will happily eat humble pie.

 

As things stand, the only way I see us getting back to our best is with new signings.

 

i respect and admire your optimism but I don’t share it. There are too many red flags starting to show.

 

 

 

 

 

 Agree with all of this

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

The weird thing about the Villa collapse is they have had nowhere near the amount of injuries we had last season and the champions league is also far easier this season than we had it last season.

Nah the new CL format is a lot harder. The extra 2 games are a killer. 

[Elliottman]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Nah the new CL format is a lot harder. The extra 2 games are a killer. 

 

They haven't plated the extra 2 games yet. 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Elliottman said:

 

They haven't plated the extra 2 games yet. 

Still the games are coming thick and fast. 
 

if you look at Emerys record.  His European success does often come at the cost of poorer league form.  
 

Villa will at least make it to the CL play offs.  
 

 

CL for teams like us and Villa is a myth.  The PL is too competitive and we don’t have the budget to have enough quality in the squad. 

[KingArthur]

Have to say I am bit worried about Livramento. Of course the bigger problem is the right winger, but his passing and decisions when to release and when to dribble is quite often lacking. He is getting better defensively, but comparing that with Trippier's attacking play it really is a big change.

Really doesn't work at the moment no matter who is playing at right wing. And definitely there has to be a left footed player in front of him.

[Elliottman]

4 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Have to say I am bit worried about Livramento. Of course the bigger problem is the right winger, but his passing and decisions when to release and when to dribble is quite often lacking. He is getting better defensively, but comparing that with Trippier's attacking play it really is a big change.

Really doesn't work at the moment no matter who is playing at right wing. And definitely there has to be a left footed player in front of him.

 

The downfall of Trippier has been one of the biggest contributing factors to our attacking form. 

[Nine]

Livramento was never going to fill that Trippier role, he’s just not that type of full back. 
 

Hall is though.

[KingArthur]

1 minute ago, Nine said:

Livramento was never going to fill that Trippier role, he’s just not that type of full back. 
 

Hall is though.

Yea, I get that he is different type of player. But in attacking sense we are not getting the best out of him. He should be encouraged to put the ball in the box quicker, cause the 1-2s are not really his thing. His movement is just not smart enough, but he has the technique to get his foot open and cross. Like you said Hall is the player for combinations.

[TRon]

I feel we are overcooking the Livramento thing. He's not Trippier, but not many right backs are. If Trippier is that important to our football then just play him. Personally think the midfield and forwards need to be showing more, while full backs overlapping is a big part of football these days, we should still be able to produce down the right without relying too heavily on a defender.

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

I feel we are overcooking the Livramento thing. He's not Trippier, but not many right backs are. If Trippier is that important to our football then just play him. Personally think the midfield and forwards need to be showing more, while full backs overlapping is a big part of football these days, we should still be able to produce down the right without relying too heavily on a defender.

The last 15 games were Trippier has played above 45mins in the PL we have a record of 3-4-8. Whatever it is we are missing, it isnt Trippier in his current state.

 

Do agree that we miss an in form Trippier though, but I doubt we will get him back.