Eddie Howe

[SiLvOR]

30 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

so why not Howe

You're kidding, right? Like, yeah, he got things wrong today and has a lot of work to do, but fuck me. The man deserves ample time to get this right

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Insensitivity is our identity 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Something in the coaching set up needs to change, could be some of the personnel or could be the methods.

 

[Gawalls]

10 minutes ago, Collage said:

Club has been in a bit of disarray with the Saudis losing interest. Of course Eddie should not have been in charge of the summer window but a top class DoF.  The squad isn’t good enough.

It's good enough to be beating Leeds, west ham and Brentford ffs

[andycap]

Just now, Troll said:

Remember when everyone wanted him sacked last season then he turned it around, won a cup, and got us in the Champions League?

That's a load of shite we didn't all want him sacked. Just because we have problems with certain things at the time doesn't mean we don't want him to be our manager. 

[Dava1892]

10 minutes ago, pubteam said:

After this summer Howe needs to have absolutely no involvement in our recruitment. The amount of money we have tied up in sub par players is a huge concern.

Or does Howe need full involvement with recruitment. Where these all his players, who he wanted to bring in? Isak transfer ruined the whole window for us really, including players just not wanting to come here.

[Jagten]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Talk of Eddie losing his job this season is crazy to me personally. 

Yeah, clearly. He should take real criticism for the summer recruitment tho. 

[LiquidAK]

Just now, 54 said:

These last two away games have been terrible, no two ways about it, but in no uncertain terms should he be under any pressure, from the fans or the board, like at all, even if it was just for the simple fact that he won a trophy 6 months ago and the grace period that should allow him is longer than a single patchy run of form, in what is seeming like a transitional season in the terms of the way we play. He has more than enough enough credit in the bank, and he's allowed to make mistakes, all managers do from time to time, and even the mistakes today I can understand, Burn should have been subbed earlier, but he wasn't as Brentford had multiple set-piece opportunities and he clearly valued the physicality of Burn to help against that threat, I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. The only thing I don't understand is the subbing of Pope, but thats probably more on the medical team than Howe.

 

Its also still really early on in the campaign and we have won 7 of the last 11 in all comps, which isn't bad, especially in the cup games, we just need a couple of wins and we'll be back around the top 8 as its still super tight. I also personally hate the reactionary nature of hounding a manager after a small period of poor play. If he was the right man 2 months ago, he's the right man now, and I think people put too much stock on having to do well all the time, and that progress must be linear, you're allowed a bad year, especially if you've been a proven success, so personally would rather have a lower/ middling season, and keep Howe around, then sack him for some other rando like Ireola. We could finish 13th this season, and I still think he'll deserve a crack next. 

 

Agree with all of this.

 

Also regarding it still being tight, had we won today (I know, obviously we didn't) we'd have been 3 points off 5th. It's been a really shit patch of form and it won't last forever but we're not totally cut adrift yet. The season is absolutely able to be saved and there isn't anyone I'd rather have in the manager's chair to do it.

[Dyeyzzon]

What if we do a Spurs - a cup and a deep run in Europe but 17th  

[Guybrush]

'Trust the process' seems to be a management phrase in vogue (both in sport and otherwise) recently.

 

It can be a useful mantra when implementing long term plans, but more and more I'm seeing it used to justify 'do what you've always done' or as an excuse to not question management.

 

Eddie is the right man for the job. He's proved it time and time again. But based on recent results we cannot 'trust the process'.

 

He needs to make some changes,  and he deserves the time to make them, but he needs to start making those changes now. The current 'process' is not working. 

 

Eddie needs to address his own shortcomings, particularly when it comes to player loyalty, recruitment, and tactical flexibility. 

 

The players have also let him down. There's a sloppiness to our play. Intensity is not our identity. And there's individuals who are well below where they need to be. 

 

The whole team needs some honest introspection, and fast. We cannot afford to put off making changes under the guise of process and patience.

[Geogaddi]

He is allowed a free pass for at least one bad season after everything he has achieved here .

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, SiLvOR said:

You're kidding, right? Like, yeah, he got things wrong today and has a lot of work to do, but fuck me. The man deserves ample time to get this right

Only if he proves he's willing to try new things imo, we've all heard the quote about trying the same things over and over again

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

 

He was in a worse position this time last year. We were just as bad (probably worse) and didn’t have the CL campaign or the cup win to fall back on. 

Have to be honest, I don't remember us being this bad last season. Weirdly we played poorly and picked up results, then played well and didn't, but it felt like it was coming.

 

This time we're playing poorly and aren't getting results, but it's the work in progress part that makes us an unknown. Last season we just needed to be more clinical in what we were doing. This season we need to find out what we're doing before getting to the clinical part.

[UncleBuzzcocks]

Realistically, how many results like this does he have until he’s sacked?

[Andy]

I don't think Eddie should be under pressure internally yet, but he undoubtedly will be externally from large chunks of our fanbase if the form continues, especially with the mackems doing so well at the moment too. 

 

He got it wrong today and has quite a few times this season. And yes, there are huge concerns over our identity and capability to create chances, but it's a little too early for full-blown panic. 

 

Priority for me however should be a review by the club into the summer's recruitment. It wasn't good enough, we all knew it wasn't at the time, and if Eddie led that then there definitely needs be discussion about just how much control he has in that department. There's a reason why other clubs have moved away from the notion of their head coach also being their head scout. It's incredibly difficult to see what we saw in Elanga and Ramsey, and for me the jury is out on all of our signings apart from Thiaw at the moment - even Woltemade is a bit of a question mark since we have no idea how to get him involved in games. 

 

This feels like his toughest moment at the club. 

[andycap]

Can I ask a question what was so wrong with the summers recruitment? 

 

[Lucky]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Talk of Eddie losing his job this season is crazy to me personally. 

It’s absolutely mental but use your eyes and let go of the sentimentality.

 

He’d done an excellent job, but he’s fucked up this season.

 

Personally I’d much prefer to make a call and change something that’s not working rather than stick with it for long enough that my opinion starts to change of him.

[El Prontonise]

4 minutes ago, Troll said:

Remember when everyone wanted him sacked last season then he turned it around, won a cup, and got us in the Champions League?

 

I fucking hate this generalisation that everyone who was getting annoyed at our performances etc is tagged under this banner.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

2 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Pope, Botman, Trippier, Joelinton & Gordon out of the starting line-up for Ramsdale, Hall (shifting Burn to LCB), Tino, Ramsey & Barnes and we'll look a lot better imo. Perfect time to have a genuine refresh now with the 2-week break and nothing resembling good form to fall back on.

how do you fit Wissa in? We need a goal scorer in the team.

 

for me it’s a 4-4-1-1 formation but it puts a lot of pressure on Bruno and Tonali.

 

the alternative is a genuine 3-5-1-1 with Hall and Tino giving width but then you lose Murph and Barnes

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, Dava1892 said:

Or does Howe need full involvement with recruitment. Where these all his players, who he wanted to bring in? Isak transfer ruined the whole window for us really, including players just not wanting to come here.

No - give a manager full involvement and when he goes you may just find yourself having to stay again when the next manager comes in, you can't grow like that

[Sean]

We really don’t look like a team giving their all for the manager. Far too many putting in regular half assed shit displays.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

It was to me, too until this afternoon. 

Yeh that’s crazy. 

 

1 minute ago, Theregulars said:

He needs us to stand by him. 
 

Trying to remain calm, my questions would be:

 

1. why did we buy a squad only not to use it?

2. Why can’t he see that burn at left back is always handing the opposition an advantage? It seems so strange as he’s so astute so I must be missing something. 
3. why can’t we pass the ball to our own team? 
4. where’s the intensity gone?

5. why are non-performing players never punished for their lack of form by being taken out of the side?

1. This isn’t 2008 anymore.  You need 18 genuine first team options.  We can’t afford that so we need to be smarter in the transfer market. Ramsey, Elanga and you can argue Wissa fees should sign us 4-5 players. 
2. Howe loves Burn. I’ve said it before - Howe has never dropped Burn. If Burn must play consistently it has to be at CB. 

3. Coaching. Lack of ability. 
4. Great point. We need to get back to intensity. 
5. Agree non performers - consistently - need benching. When a lad gets to Joelinton status, Howe struggles to drop them. 

[Lucky]

Just now, andycap said:

Can I ask a question what was so wrong with the summers recruitment? 

 

Elanga. Ramsey.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Just now, SiLvOR said:

You're kidding, right? Like, yeah, he got things wrong today and has a lot of work to do, but fuck me. The man deserves ample time to get this right

Because the question deserves to be asked.

 

Football is played in the now and not the past and as much as I love Eddie my point was questions would be asked at other top clubs.

 

 

[andycap]

1 minute ago, Geogaddi said:

He is allowed a free pass for at least one bad season after everything he has achieved here .

The problem is we can't be missing out on European football.