Interpolic Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Every time a pundit speaks about Newcastle should be an eye-opener on their views on other clubs. Neville is consistently not clued up on us. Carragher is by far and away the most knowledgeable of the Sky Sports lot and crucially for me, is always humble enough to concede and say 'the fans will know better than me' when he's talking about other clubs. It's so true like, even Alan Smith (who I like and is quite good) said something about Shelvey "not getting many starts these days" as if he wasn't aware he was just back from a fairly serious injury. I don't know the ins and outs of the affairs at the other 19 PL clubs but I'd like to think if I was paid to comment then I'd at least know stuff like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, David Edgar said: "Trippier will go because Gareth loves him" is so ignorant and plain stupid. Trippier is up with TAA in terms of progression and chance creation. He's doing that withouth Salah, Firmino el al. Trippier is also massively better than TAA in every other department and also a leader. Not even a debate. Tripps had some of the best stats going forward in the league for chance creation etc. Not just defenders either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Interpolic said: It's so true like, even Alan Smith (who I like and is quite good) said something about Shelvey "not getting many starts these days" as if he wasn't aware he was just back from a fairly serious injury. I don't know the ins and outs of the affairs at the other 19 PL clubs but I'd like to think if I was paid to comment then I'd at least know stuff like that. Exactly, or at least have the humility to ask rather than blag it and lose all credibility. Ally McCoist does that, if he doesn't know something, he'll ask his co-commentator and as far as I can tell, it's part of why he's one of, if not the most liked co-commentator out there. I don't think a lot of them realise that being a slick pro isn't all it's cracked up to be and that humility and authenticity get you a long way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I think Trippier should start at RB for England, it’s a waste to put him on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Exactly, or at least have the humility to ask rather than blag it and lose all credibility. Ally McCoist does that, if he doesn't know something, he'll ask his co-commentator and as far as I can tell, it's part of why he's one of, if not the most liked co-commentator out there. I don't think a lot of them realise that being a slick pro isn't all it's cracked up to be and that humility and authenticity get you a long way. McCoist is enthusiastic and charismatic as well. The anti-Lawro. Re Lawro I thought it was typical and hilarious that he spent 20 years being an utterly miserable cunt who was doing us a favour to attend stuff like the actual World fucking Cup, then when he was sacked off claimed it was because he was an old, white male. He was utterly insufferable and it was long overdue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Interpolic said: McCoist is enthusiastic and charismatic as well. The anti-Lawro. Re Lawro I thought it was typical and hilarious that he spent 20 years being an utterly miserable cunt who was doing us a favour to attend stuff like the actual World fucking Cup, then when he was sacked off claimed it was because he was an old, white male. He was utterly insufferable and it was long overdue. Wish Lawro could take Savage and Sutton with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Interpolic said: McCoist is enthusiastic and charismatic as well. The anti-Lawro. Re Lawro I thought it was typical and hilarious that he spent 20 years being an utterly miserable cunt who was doing us a favour to attend stuff like the actual World fucking Cup, then when he was sacked off claimed it was because he was an old, white male. He was utterly insufferable and it was long overdue. I had a love hate relationship with Lawro, but yeah it was definitely long overdue. There are far too many like that who don't seem to like football. He gets away with it more than others, possibly because he's one of the fart huffer podcasters but Andy Hinchcliffe needs to fuck off forever imo. Can't stand him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Wish Tyler would retire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Think the sad reality of football commentators, pundits and ex-players is that there are phenomenal amounts of either extremely boring or stupid people involved. Football has the most commentators and pundits compared to any other sport due to the sheer amount of interest, matches and coverage, so maybe it's a natural consequence that if you have loads of people involved they'll largely be shit. However, I do think there's something about football that promotes talentless people to prestigious roles (both in managerial positions and journalism) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I had a love hate relationship with Lawro, but yeah it was definitely long overdue. There are far too many like that who don't seem to like football. He gets away with it more than others, possibly because he's one of the fart huffer podcasters but Andy Hinchcliffe needs to fuck off forever imo. Can't stand him. Yeah he's one who thinks it's his job to just pick holes in everything. Him and the laughable Gary Birtles come to mind. They always sound so disappointed that a goal was scored when it happens, I don't understand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I’m not sure if it’s a natural consequence or if it’s just that media is extremely slow to modernise and prioritise things like tactical knowledge. I’d rather have a football analyst on Sky than an ex-player, for example. For a rich, elite league which is the national sport, the general quality of punditry is appalling in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) It doesn't help that a lot of British ex-pros, or at least the ones that want to be pundits, are dead thick. The likes of O'Hara, Agbonlahor and Warnock just come out with cliche-driven nonsense and focus mainly on grit, "the big six" and Englishness. Edited November 7, 2022 by Interpolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Hope he goes, but if he plays I'm already eye rolling at the commentators making out Burn to be an actual threat when it comes to set pieces and corners. There's nothing to actually back it up. But every game and Burn is still made out to be Shearer in the oppositions box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, TBG said: Hope he goes, but if he plays I'm already eye rolling at the commentators making out Burn to be an actual threat when it comes to set pieces and corners. There's nothing to actually back it up. But every game and Burn is still made out to be Shearer in the oppositions box. Beckenbauer at the back, Jason Lee on the attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Don’t think he really know where his defensive headers are going either, but at least he wins them. Classic 50p head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) Saw that Sky clip this morning on SSN, and couldn't believe when they said Trippier would go (to the WC) because "Gareth loves him", which is basically to dismiss/ignore that he is arguably the best performing english RB this season. Great to see/hear Shearer praising him on MOTD2 last night, not just for his preformaces, but the leadership he brings to the team, and also credited him with helping bring Almiron's game on, and having a hand in his improvement this season. Edited November 7, 2022 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I’d rather have a football analyst on Sky than an ex-player, for example. I dunno. I feel like an ex-player has the enviable attribute of having lived experience which automatically (and justifiably, imo) gives their view at least some weight. I 'care' more about what Gary Neville or Ian Wright think about Newcastle, than I do some lad in his bedroom with a decent camera and access to SofaScore. I don't care that much obviously, but I'm more likely to afford time to ex-pros because their views are legitimized by their experience. Nor am I knocking the likes of JLA, I'm just saying their place is on YouTube, not TV broadcasts. The problem is just that many of the ex-pros either talk utter shit, are playing some sort of character, or are just devoid of charisma. If we're comparing the alternative to the likes of Danny Murphy, Micah Richards and Joe Cole (one from each category, there) then aye, chuck whoever you want on, it wouldn't make a difference to how much I engage (i.e. very little). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 That's the point though, isn't it? Ex-pros don't really know enough about what's happening in a football game to educate the viewer. They just did their job and now they're on TV because their name is known. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: That's the point though, isn't it? Ex-pros don't really know enough about what's happening in a football game to educate the viewer. They just did their job and now they're on TV because their name is known. What I'm saying is: give me an interesting and charismatic ex-pro who's already had a career in the game, over an interesting and charismatic 'football analyst' with no actual experience in football. (In a live TV broadcast setting, that is.) Imo; Danny Murphy, Rio Ferdinand and Graeme Souness occupying our TV screens doesn't make a case for replacing ex-pros with lads from YouTube etc; it makes a case for finding better ex-pros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: That's the point though, isn't it? Ex-pros don't really know enough about what's happening in a football game to educate the viewer. They just did their job and now they're on TV because their name is known. I don't think so. I wouldn't want JLA for example there. His analysis takes time and needs data in order for him to pick out his insight. Analysis that's in the moment and on the fly all seems to fall into the same pitfalls of being rushed, guesswork, and out of place imo. Carragher and Neville are fine analysing at halftime or whatever but on co-comms it's often guesswork and also not what you want to hear imo. I just want someone who enjoys the game giving basic but positive opinion on it, like McCoist does. I don't want Poindexter in my ear shoehorning their knowledge in. The people you think should be replacing them are best suited to where they are imo - on a Monday where they've had the time to look at everything properly. Edited November 7, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) Ah well sure, if they're better ex-pros. My point was that whoever they get should know about football tactics and be able to explain why something happened in the game they're watching. Just being an ex-pro doesn't really guarantee that. Fair point about instant reaction KI, interesting to see how those people would do in a live situation. Edited November 7, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I don’t see why you couldn’t have someone on who’s good at interpreting data at HT and the end of a game mind. They have 45 minutes to be looking at it and they must have access to more live info than the rest of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On co-commentary (and commentary really) the bad ones are ones who judge the action, and the good ones are the ones who just describe it. The most annoying thing is the "terrible pass by..." and "lovely play by..." and "he has to do better there..." etc. Really annoying and adds nothing, the point should be to explain things that the average viewer can't appreciate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) It pains me to say this because I hate him and everything else he does is awful, but when Michael Owen walks everyone through a finish or a chance and describes the thought process from a striker's perspective, it's dare I say not that bad. I'm off for a shower. Edited November 7, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Get out, and hand in your membership card on the way out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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