Kieran Trippier: has a chance to play against Everton (Howe)

[Sempiternal]

Im personally more invested in his height. 

[Sempiternal]

@SEMTEX expert opinion on Trips height? 

[SEMTEX]

5 minutes ago, Sempiternal said:

@SEMTEX expert opinion on Trips height? 

My expert opinion is that this seems like a foolish conversation.
 

It’s obvious to me, and anyone with even the most basic knowledge of quantum theory, that there are an infinite number of Kieran Trippier’s across the multiverse, and given the astronomical number of possible states in which Kieran Trippier can exist, it is inevitable that he’s about 5’9”. 

[Sempiternal]

16 minutes ago, SEMTEX said:

My expert opinion is that this seems like a foolish conversation.
 

It’s obvious to me, and anyone with even the most basic knowledge of quantum theory, that there are an infinite number of Kieran Trippier’s across the multiverse, and given the astronomical number of possible states in which Kieran Trippier can exist, it is inevitable that he’s about 5’9”. 

I need Peter Singer’s opinion before I can let this go. My theory is Newcastle universe Trips is 5’8 and change, and I’m being generous 

[relámpago blanco]

1 hour ago, Sempiternal said:

 

That's not trippier.

[Sempiternal]

2 hours ago, relámpago blanco said:

That's not trippier.

 

[lovejoy]

He’s in London with the squad. Hasn’t trained all week though.

[timeEd32]

According to this model Trippier provided a bigger on-ball value advantage relative to his position than anyone in the league.

 

[The Butcher]

All these silly stats are getting out of hand like

[gbandit]

What does on-ball value advantage mean? 

[Smal]

18 minutes ago, gbandit said:

What does on-ball value advantage mean? 

 

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in short, it's a model that looks to assign a value to each action that takes place on the football pitch based on the positive (or negative) impact the action has on the team's likelihood of scoring (and conceding)

 

 

[toon25]

On 27/05/2023 at 13:30, Sempiternal said:

 

 

If I was going to trust anyone to measure me, it would be that absolute fucking waster Dele Alli, supervised by fellow fucking numb nut Phil Jones.

 

 

[gbandit]

8 minutes ago, Smal said:

 

 

 

If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest

[timeEd32]

18 minutes ago, gbandit said:

If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest

 

None of these things are perfect, but it is quite advanced and goes off way more than hard stats. It's built on xG and xGA (as opposed to just goals and conceded goals) because that introduces more variables. It also looks at:

• pitch location (x and y coordinates, distance to goal, angle to goal)
• action context (set play, open play, etc.)
• whether the event was carried out while pressured from an opposition player
• body part used for the event (Head, Foot, etc.)

On risk-taking:

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An appropriate consideration of the opportunity cost of attempting high-risk actions and losing the ball. High-risk, high-reward players that are often key attackers on their team will be recognised and credited in this model – so long as the effect of their actions is a net benefit to the team overall.

 

[Smal]

54 minutes ago, gbandit said:

If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest

football metrics definitely aren't for everyone and a lot of people just quote them to fit a narrative but I quite enjoy them all the same. 

 

I guess we have all these useful metrics like xG and xA etc. but they are exclusively measuring goalscoring and assisting. There are a lot of other actions in a game which increase/decrease the chance for your team to score which aren't measured by xG/xA (think carrying the ball to a more dangerous area, or passing the ball from a less dangerous area to a more dangerous area) and that's what all these possession value metrics (xThreat is another similar possession value metric) are trying to measure. 

 

The limitation is that it doesn't really tell you how good a player is. It tells you what their role is in a team more than anything. So Trippier is making much more valuable contributions than the average right back largely because we send a lot of our play through him - much more than the average team does anyway. Kevin De Bruyne is used as City's primary creator and penetrative passer so he scores highly, Brentford give the ball to Jensen to get it forward to Toney etc. They're mostly high risk, high reward players. If we used it as a measurement of ability then well... using xThreat we'd think that Ashley Westwood was one of the most threatening players in the Premier League a couple of seasons ago.

 

It's useful to use to identify players who can fulfil a certain role though. If you want a left back who can do a similar role to what Trippier or TAA do on the right then Borna Sosa could be that guy etc. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Smal

[Erikse]

34 minutes ago, Smal said:

football metrics definitely aren't for everyone and a lot of people just quote them to fit a narrative but I quite enjoy them all the same. 

 

I guess we have all these useful metrics like xG and xA etc. but they are exclusively measuring goalscoring and assisting. There are a lot of other actions in a game which increase/decrease the chance for your team to score which aren't measured by xG/xA (think carrying the ball to a more dangerous area, or passing the ball from a less dangerous area to a more dangerous area) and that's what all these possession value metrics (xThreat is another similar possession value metric) are trying to measure. 

 

The limitation is that it doesn't really tell you how good a player is. It tells you what their role is in a team more than anything. So Trippier is making much more valuable contributions than the average right back largely because we send a lot of our play through him - much more than the average team does anyway. Kevin De Bruyne is used as City's primary creator and penetrative passer so he scores highly, Brentford give the ball to Jensen to get it forward to Toney etc. They're mostly high risk, high reward players. If we used it as a measurement of ability then well... using xThreat we'd think that Ashley Westwood was one of the most threatening players in the Premier League a couple of seasons ago.

 

It's useful to use to identify players who can fulfil a certain role though. If you want a left back who can do a similar role to what Trippier or TAA do on the right then Borna Sosa could be that guy etc. 

 

 

 

 

Trippier has been near top of all the chances created charts, which is fair. He does create them. However I'm pretty sure he's taken the highest amount of corners out of all players, and atleast for the last few months they weren't the best. I wonder how many of those that counts towards chances created. Also, why is Pope there? Does saves count?

 

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Erikse

[Smal]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Trippier has been near top of all the chances created charts, which is fair. He does create them. However I'm pretty sure he's taken the highest amount of corners out of all players, and atleast for the last few months they weren't the best. I wonder how many of those that counts towards chances created. Also, why is Pope there? Does saves count?

 

 

 

OBV measures actions which reduce the team's chance of conceding as well, yeah.

 

On set-pieces, a player is assigned a negative OBV score for a corner taken that doesn't find a team mate as it has reduced the chance of scoring and increased the chance of conceding. 

[Smal]

 

[timeEd32]

20 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Trippier has been near top of all the chances created charts, which is fair. He does create them. However I'm pretty sure he's taken the highest amount of corners out of all players, and atleast for the last few months they weren't the best. I wonder how many of those that counts towards chances created. Also, why is Pope there? Does saves count?

 

 

 

 

I think one of the best application of stats is to disprove the fallacy that Trippier was bad on set pieces, which became a frustration for many because we weren't scoring goals on them. But the reality is he was creating chances and the actual problem is no one was finishing them.

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I think one of the best application of stats is to disprove the fallacy that Trippier was bad on set pieces, which became a frustration for many because we weren't scoring goals on them. But the reality is he was creating chances and the actual problem is no one was finishing them.

 

Overall from start to finish of the season yes. Last few games were good too. But there was a period before that, I'd like to see a video of his last 100 corners or so

[madras]

11 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

Overall from start to finish of the season yes. Last few games were good too. But there was a period before that, I'd like to see a video of his last 100 corners or so

Even then only those in the club would be able to tell you if the corner went where it was supposed to but the move broke down elsewhere.

[ste_ne24]

 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

One of three English based players named in the whoscored European team of the season (Saka and De Bruyne). Highest rated Defender in Europe.
 

 

[Smal]

He was in Opta's tots too. 

 

Trippier created the most chances from set plays (76) and played the most passes into the opposition box (551) by a player in a single season since Opta started collected this data 20 Premier League seasons ago, in 2003-04. Meanwhile, his 138 successful crosses are the most by a player in Premier League season since Jermaine Pennant in 2005-06 (146).

 

The 110 chances he created for teammates are also the most by a Newcastle player in a top-flight season since 2003-04, while only Cheick Tioté in 2013-14 (1,825) has completed more passes for the Magpies in a single Premier League campaign than Trippier did this season (1,568).

 

League-wide in 2022-23, Trippier played the most progressive passes (275) and had the second-best expected assists total (11.8), behind Kevin De Bruyne. Not only this, but he also had the joint most assists from set-plays (six), along with Andrew Robertson. Not bad for a full-back.

 

These are ludicrous figures.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Smal

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Smal said:

He was in Opta's tots too. 

 

Trippier created the most chances from set plays (76) and played the most passes into the opposition box (551) by a player in a single season since Opta started collected this data 20 Premier League seasons ago, in 2003-04. Meanwhile, his 138 successful crosses are the most by a player in Premier League season since Jermaine Pennant in 2005-06 (146).

 

The 110 chances he created for teammates are also the most by a Newcastle player in a top-flight season since 2003-04, while only Cheick Tioté in 2013-14 (1,825) has completed more passes for the Magpies in a single Premier League campaign than Trippier did this season (1,568).

 

League-wide in 2022-23, Trippier played the most progressive passes (275) and had the second-best expected assists total (11.8), behind Kevin De Bruyne. Not only this, but he also had the joint most assists from set-plays (six), along with Andrew Robertson. Not bad for a full-back.

 

These are ludicrous figures.

 

 

 

This is why I was never overly harsh on wor Tiote. Hre always took responsibility.