Kieran Trippier: has a chance to play against Everton (Howe)

[mouldy_uk]

It’s a slow Newcastle news day when a player chundering in the bogs is topic of the day 

 

I think I’m going to ‘touch grass’ as they say  

[Kanj]

I, for one, do no care what he does as a single man who is unable to perform his job function because he’s hurt and is therefore out on the town. Perhaps he had bad smoked trout and it didn’t mix well with his Lucozade Sport and his pain medication and made him seem loopy and wasn’t hammered at all? 

[Slim]

5 minutes ago, Holloway said:

it was after the win at the weekend(apparently) and footballers are generally given time off to let their hair down as long as it isn't a 3 day bender etc. I agree hoying up in the bogs isn't a good look but it can be put down as overindulgence and just one of those things imo. The worry here is that with his family life seemingly in tatters, he's on a downward spiral and needs help to sort it out

 

Maybe he just ate some bad sushi. 

[Chris_R]

Just now, joeyt said:

 

A night out in town isn't a work function...

My example, which you quoted, was literally about being sick in the toilets at a work function.

 

And sorry but as a professional footballer then any time you're in public, you're the face of the company and have to act accordingly. I'm as sure as I can be that in this day and age all contracts will even state as much, that you're representing the company when in public and are expected to behave as such and not say or do anything which would damage the club's reputation.

 

I know I have such standards expected of me, I've had to sign things about social media usage for example, about all kinds of other things. I got given 48 cans of Tuna (Random, I know) off a customer the other week and had to go declare them to my boss under our bribery policy ffs. When I was at Orange 2+ decades ago I had to sign something saying that if I was caught using a phone when driving I'd be sacked - was that "fair" when someone working at Tesco wouldn't get the same sanctions? No. But I was in a different industry and it was part of my job.

 

Footballers are role models and club ambassadors at all times. They have to set a good example. It's harsh on young people with loads of money and time, but it's still true.

[Kanj]

He needs to smash a free kick winner in and his celebration needs to be him pretending to throw up in a toilet, throwback to a line sniffing Robbie Fowler. 
 

really get this angelic crowd fired up.  

[The College Dropout]

15 hours ago, Dokko said:

The dramatic decline of this lad in a year is book worthy (no doubt our own stagnation mirrors this) Ruined his life and his career, and about to lose half of his wealth and access to his kids. If he was a decade younger you could forgive him, not at his age and seniority. 

 

Disgraceful behaviour from our on pitch captain. Had hoped he'd be here forever and get into coaching. Now I can't wait to see the back of him. fucking waste of space. Clearly on the path to self destruction. 

 

Needs sacking for going out the house looking like thst as well. 

Too far.

 

12 hours ago, Pilko said:

Given the absolute fucking bin fire we were when he decided to join us from a title-winning side in Spain, I hope the club support him and help him get his head together. Seems like he's made some mistakes in his personal life but we only know half of the story and comments that suggest we should sling him out immediately are quite short-sighted IMO. He's had the captaincy removed - whether as a punishment or in order to take the pressure off him depends on your viewpoint - and when compared to some of the absolute wasters who've clung onto our payroll over the years I hope we help him get right and hopefully contribute on and off the pitch this season.

This is it. Need to support the lad.

 

9 hours ago, Erikse said:

Getting shitfaced in the middle of the season is not something we would brush off as a small thing if it was just about any other player. Not going to call him a waste of space, but it's pretty bad really. Obviously he is in a bad place, though, so you've got to feel for him.

Aye it's a symptom of an active personal issue. Need to get him some help and support him. Football will be a low priority unfortunately. He'll know he's letting himself down - we need to build him up.

[Abacus]

I want to see him with a traffic cone on his head, being pushed down a hill in a rickety shopping trolley.

[joeyt]

2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

My example, which you quoted, was literally about being sick in the toilets at a work function.

 

And sorry but as a professional footballer then any time you're in public, you're the face of the company and have to act accordingly. I'm as sure as I can be that in this day and age all contracts will even state as much, that you're representing the company when in public and are expected to behave as such and not say or do anything which would damage the club's reputation.

 

I know I have such standards expected of me, I've had to sign things about social media usage for example, about all kinds of other things. I got given 48 cans of Tuna (Random, I know) off a customer the other week and had to go declare them to my boss under our bribery policy ffs. When I was at Orange 2+ decades ago I had to sign something saying that if I was caught using a phone when driving I'd be sacked - was that "fair" when someone working at Tesco wouldn't get the same sanctions? No. But I was in a different industry and it was part of my job.

 

Footballers are role models and club ambassadors at all times. They have to set a good example. It's harsh on young people with loads of money and time, but it's still true.

 

But there's loads of professions you could say that about.

 

Should someone on Strictly Come Dancing not be allowed a night out to celebrate/commiserate because they're representing the BBC?

[JEToon]

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

[Stal]

I see both sides of this and there are reasonable points on both sides;

 

He should be able to enjoy a drink out however he is the face of the company when he's out. There should be understanding as he's going through a tough time and he has proved his loyalty to the club 100 times over.

 

Couple of my own additions;

 

as a professional athlete then just don't drink before matchday (which he didn't) and don't drink to excess in public

 

What did we say about that mackem player (I can't remember his name but I think they signed him from Everton) who got absolutely shitfaced and slagged off his team? I know Trippier hasn't done this, the point is more about embarrassing your club in public through drink.

 

I think the world of him for what he's done for us and I'd happily keep him at the club for years to come. That comes with a certain expectation of behavior in public though.

[The College Dropout]

Professional athletes shouldn't get vomit drunk during the season - if ever.

 

But Tripps issue is way deeper than professionalism so it doesn't really matter.

 

Truthfully - professional athletes probably shouldn't drink at all during the season. The scientific literature on alcohol and athletic performance is clear. It's a negative. Any amount. Impacts recovery

 

But as mentioned. This isn't a professionalism issue, athletic optimisation issue, representing the club issue. It's deeper. Lads life is spiralling downwards. Seemingly lost his family. Leaning into alcohol and women to fill the void. He needs support

 

 

Edited November 7, 2024 by The College Dropout

[Chris_R]

4 minutes ago, JEToon said:

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

 

It's about getting drunk in front of the people who pay your wages though, wages which are for being the best athlete you possibly can be which scientifically you just cannot be doing if you're getting drunk. It's just never a good look.

 

And in this day and age, it's not limited to being seen by the people in the room with you. Everyone has a camera. Everything will be seen by everyone. The rules and expectations have changed.

 

Again, not a hanging offence. Have a quiet word with the offender, remind them of their responsibilities and get back to work. But if there's a box for "unprofessional act", then getting very drunk in public to the point of being sick in the toilets definitely qualifies.

[Chris_R]

21 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

But there's loads of professions you could say that about.

 

Should someone on Strictly Come Dancing not be allowed a night out to celebrate/commiserate because they're representing the BBC?

 

Night out to celebrate /= chucking up in the bogs

 

I'd suggest that if someone on Strictly was photographed driving the porcelain bus at 2am it'd probably be on the front page of some gutter rag or other, so make of that what you will.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

27 minutes ago, JEToon said:

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

 

Can't imagine how this place would've coped with Julies back in the '90's

[wormy]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

Speaking about an incident that you don't even know happened and transposing it on someone isn't really a discussion forum, it makes it closer to a gossip column and most people on here are better than that  

 

 New here, pal? 

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

 

It's about getting drunk in front of the people who pay your wages though, wages which are for being the best athlete you possibly can be which scientifically you just cannot be doing if you're getting drunk. It's just never a good look.

 

And in this day and age, it's not limited to being seen by the people in the room with you. Everyone has a camera. Everything will be seen by everyone. The rules and expectations have changed.

 

Again, not a hanging offence. Have a quiet word with the offender, remind them of their responsibilities and get back to work. But if there's a box for "unprofessional act", then getting very drunk in public to the point of being sick in the toilets definitely qualifies.

 

Loads of players and athletes want to cut lose now and then as a marker for them during the course of a season, a reward for achievement etc and so on, does that equate in "science" no, but players need to act like human beings now and then, if someone on a forum wants to judge a player for that, it makes them weird for it to me, nothing more or less. 

 

In the instance of the photo taken of Tripper, someone taking a photo of him in public makes them a weirdo, them a wrong un, not him. He wasn't falsely representing the club in anyway. He was doing something he is perfectly entitled to do. 

 

I don't buy tickets to games thinking that entitles to me to have a say in how players behave, where they go or what they do, they are human beings, they are allowed to enjoy their life. 

 

All this is just a bit weird to me in general though, seems some want to create a shtick and stink to have on a Newcastle player based on mostly gossip, very odd to me to want to do that 

 

 

[TBG]

Players should not be allowed to leave the house for anything other than traveling to and back from training, traveling to and back from match day, and traveling to and back from paying respect on Remembrance month.

[Chris_R]

4 minutes ago, JEToon said:

Loads of players and athletes want to cut lose

 

So do I. I could crack open a beer right now but I'm aware that I'm working so shouldn't. It's not about what people want to do, but about always trying to make the best choices. We'll all sometimes fail and that's fine, but it's still a bad choice and that should be acknowledged.

 

6 minutes ago, JEToon said:

He was doing something he is perfectly entitled to do.

 

There's probably a lot of things he's signed and agreed to which would suggest that's not the case. All contracts now for loads of jobs will include terms about behaviour in public, what you can say online etc, I know mine does so I'd be astonished if his doesn't given his profile, salary etc. I cannot imagine that any professional footballer is "perfectly entitled" to get drunk to the point they're chucking up in toilets. Can you imagine if a football manager pulled a player aside to ask them about that and they said "well boss, I'm perfectly entitled to!".

 

10 minutes ago, JEToon said:

All this is just a bit weird to me in general though, seems some want to create a shtick and stink to have on a Newcastle player based on mostly gossip, very odd to me to want to do that 

 

I don't think most people are doing that. Most people are just debating generally whether getting smashed in public as a footballer is unprofessional or not. I think it is. You disagree. We have different expected standards of behaviour and that's fine, neither of us is wrong in our own personal expectations, but it's not about what we as individuals think. It's about the overall picture and about how it's likely to be perceived by the public as a whole, and about the impression it's likely to create.

 

That bar is lower for the overall picture than it is for us as individuals because although many might not care, others do. For example (random numbers time) it doesn't matter if 70% of the fanbase don't care about a certain action, because 30% thinking you're out of line is still something you should try to avoid and that needs recognising.

 

Anyway, speaking of unprofessional acts, I need to get back to work.

[JEToon]

Just now, Chris_R said:

 

There's probably a lot of things he's signed and agreed to which would suggest that's not the case.

 

I reckon players are allowed to go out in public which is all the image is, given how often players go out in public 

[Chris_R]

Literally nobody is disputing they're allowed to go out in public, that's not what this discussion is about and its disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

[JEToon]

7 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

Literally nobody is disputing they're allowed to go out in public, that's not what this discussion is about and its disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

 

You did, I have said he was doing something he was entitled to do, and made comment to the picture taken of him only you have then said "There's probably a lot of things he's signed and agreed to which would suggest that's not the case" so yeah you did 

 

The only actual evidence of him from the weekend is a picture some weirdo took, I would doubt he signed a thing which says he can't do that but you have patently decided he was hurling up in a bog and took it to be that he was doing that... when you have what evidence of that, oh aye, none 

[Hanshithispantz]

Snakes with tits man

[joeyt]

8 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Snakes with tits man

 

It was a lad who took the photo this weekend like

[Hanshithispantz]

Snakes with dicks man

[Jaqen]

2 hours ago, Big Geordie said:

'If' his wife has denied him access to his kids, because of him arseing around - then it's understandable if he's going through a tough time. My daughter was weaponized against me, when I left my ex - indeed, she still is at 16.

 

It's really hard to go through, as a dad.

 

His kids have been at the games this season with her parents so don't think that's the case.