Kieran Trippier

[joeyt]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

Why are you changing the wording? You should rather ask "is getting completely wasted during a season unprofessional?" Because that is the real discussion here.

 

How do you know he was completely wasted?

[Erikse]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

How do you know he was completely wasted?

 

I don't. Again, the discussion was about the act of getting completely wasted during a season. That doesn't mean that it definetly happened with Trippier.

 

 

Edited November 7 by Erikse

[Tross]

2 minutes ago, Pilko said:

I don't recall anyone playing the "unprofessional" card when we were absolutely walking the Championship under Hughton and half the squad was basically fuelled on booze, or in the Keegan days when they had a big Tuesday night full squad session every single week. And before anyone says it, yes I'm aware the game & social media have changed a lot since then. 

 

He's got a lot going on in his personal life and if he needs a night out and a piss up to help take his mind off it, is it really such a big deal? Feel like this is way overblown.

 

Clark, Hanley & Darryl Murphy used to frequent Lady Greys and get full of Irish Stout. 

[joeyt]

8 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

A night out is not unprofessional if you stick to soft drinks and drive home.

 

Getting drunk to the point you're chucking up in public is unprofessional. Again not for a moment saying that's what happened here, but that's an unprofessional thing to do.

 

I mean if I went to my work Christmas do and was chucking up in the bogs, I'd have little complaint if my boss told me later that it was unprofessional. There's expected standards of behaviour at public events, and when you're a professional footballer then everywhere outside of your house is a public event. It's maybe not fair, but that just comes with the £100k/week pay cheque so you kinda have to suck that up.

 

I think the unprofessional part would be if you turned up for work the next day still drunk/hungover 

 

I don't think being sick in a toilet is unprofessional

 

 

Edited November 7 by joeyt

[Chris_R]

3 minutes ago, Holloway said:

soft drinks are shite on a night out, let's face it

 

Agreed, but that changes nothing. You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer.

 

I say this as someone who loves a drink myself, so I'm not some teetotal killjoy. But as someone who loves a drink, I also know that if I had to get up and go training the morning after a night out, I'd not be 100%. And when you're paid the sums they're paid, it's expected that you're not trying to train whilst hungover.

 

Even if he didn't have training, he's recovering from injury. Sleep helps the body recover, and drunk sleep (as I well know) isn't "good" sleep so he's going to hinder his recovery time. Plus nobody makes good decisions when drunk - what if you get in a fight or fall down and injured yourself more? It's not professional. There's no logic as to why such behaviour could be deemed OK, because it just isn't.

 

I'm not saying it's the worst crime around, or that it's unforgiveable, or that we shouldn't understand someone's personal circumstances, or their general good character, or any of that. But I go back to my first sentence - You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer. Some always will, because they're young rich men with lots of time on their hands and it's forgiveable of course, but it's never not unprofessional.

[Sima]

He's obviously going through a tough time which (if rumours are to be believed) has been mainly caused by his own actions and he needs support to get him through it.

 

Being pictured talking to some women when he is reportedly separated and blowing off steam absolutely isn't the end of the world, he's still a youngish bloke in his thirties after all. I hope he gets the help he needs and gets a move to see out the last (probably) 2 1/2 years at the top level at a decent standard.

[Chris_R]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I don't think being sick in a toilet is unprofessional

 

If you think that getting blind drunk and chucking up in the toilets at a work function isn't unprofessional then I'm out.  

 

And I've done it myself, as have probably at least half of us. But it's clearly not OK.

[joeyt]

Just now, Chris_R said:

 

If you think that getting blind drunk and chucking up in the toilets at a work function isn't unprofessional then I'm out.  

 

And I've done it myself, as have probably at least half of us. But it's clearly not OK.

 

A night out in town isn't a work function...

[Holloway]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

 

Agreed, but that changes nothing. You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer.

 

I say this as someone who loves a drink myself, so I'm not some teetotal killjoy. But as someone who loves a drink, I also know that if I had to get up and go training the morning after a night out, I'd not be 100%. And when you're paid the sums they're paid, it's expected that you're not trying to train whilst hungover.

 

Even if he didn't have training, he's recovering from injury. Sleep helps the body recover, and drunk sleep (as I well know) isn't "good" sleep so he's going to hinder his recovery time. Plus nobody makes good decisions when drunk - what if you get in a fight or fall down and injured yourself more? It's not professional. There's no logic as to why such behaviour could be deemed OK, because it just isn't.

 

I'm not saying it's the worst crime around, or that it's unforgiveable, or that we shouldn't understand someone's personal circumstances, or their general good character, or any of that. But I go back to my first sentence - You just shouldn't be getting drunk in public as a professional footballer. Some always will, because they're young rich men with lots of time on their hands and it's forgiveable of course, but it's never not unprofessional.

it was after the win at the weekend(apparently) and footballers are generally given time off to let their hair down as long as it isn't a 3 day bender etc. I agree hoying up in the bogs isn't a good look but it can be put down as overindulgence and just one of those things imo. The worry here is that with his family life seemingly in tatters, he's on a downward spiral and needs help to sort it out

[mouldy_uk]

It’s a slow Newcastle news day when a player chundering in the bogs is topic of the day 

 

I think I’m going to ‘touch grass’ as they say  

[Kanj]

I, for one, do no care what he does as a single man who is unable to perform his job function because he’s hurt and is therefore out on the town. Perhaps he had bad smoked trout and it didn’t mix well with his Lucozade Sport and his pain medication and made him seem loopy and wasn’t hammered at all? 

[Slim]

5 minutes ago, Holloway said:

it was after the win at the weekend(apparently) and footballers are generally given time off to let their hair down as long as it isn't a 3 day bender etc. I agree hoying up in the bogs isn't a good look but it can be put down as overindulgence and just one of those things imo. The worry here is that with his family life seemingly in tatters, he's on a downward spiral and needs help to sort it out

 

Maybe he just ate some bad sushi. 

[Chris_R]

Just now, joeyt said:

 

A night out in town isn't a work function...

My example, which you quoted, was literally about being sick in the toilets at a work function.

 

And sorry but as a professional footballer then any time you're in public, you're the face of the company and have to act accordingly. I'm as sure as I can be that in this day and age all contracts will even state as much, that you're representing the company when in public and are expected to behave as such and not say or do anything which would damage the club's reputation.

 

I know I have such standards expected of me, I've had to sign things about social media usage for example, about all kinds of other things. I got given 48 cans of Tuna (Random, I know) off a customer the other week and had to go declare them to my boss under our bribery policy ffs. When I was at Orange 2+ decades ago I had to sign something saying that if I was caught using a phone when driving I'd be sacked - was that "fair" when someone working at Tesco wouldn't get the same sanctions? No. But I was in a different industry and it was part of my job.

 

Footballers are role models and club ambassadors at all times. They have to set a good example. It's harsh on young people with loads of money and time, but it's still true.

[Kanj]

He needs to smash a free kick winner in and his celebration needs to be him pretending to throw up in a toilet, throwback to a line sniffing Robbie Fowler. 
 

really get this angelic crowd fired up.  

[The College Dropout]

15 hours ago, Dokko said:

The dramatic decline of this lad in a year is book worthy (no doubt our own stagnation mirrors this) Ruined his life and his career, and about to lose half of his wealth and access to his kids. If he was a decade younger you could forgive him, not at his age and seniority. 

 

Disgraceful behaviour from our on pitch captain. Had hoped he'd be here forever and get into coaching. Now I can't wait to see the back of him. fucking waste of space. Clearly on the path to self destruction. 

 

Needs sacking for going out the house looking like thst as well. 

Too far.

 

12 hours ago, Pilko said:

Given the absolute fucking bin fire we were when he decided to join us from a title-winning side in Spain, I hope the club support him and help him get his head together. Seems like he's made some mistakes in his personal life but we only know half of the story and comments that suggest we should sling him out immediately are quite short-sighted IMO. He's had the captaincy removed - whether as a punishment or in order to take the pressure off him depends on your viewpoint - and when compared to some of the absolute wasters who've clung onto our payroll over the years I hope we help him get right and hopefully contribute on and off the pitch this season.

This is it. Need to support the lad.

 

9 hours ago, Erikse said:

Getting shitfaced in the middle of the season is not something we would brush off as a small thing if it was just about any other player. Not going to call him a waste of space, but it's pretty bad really. Obviously he is in a bad place, though, so you've got to feel for him.

Aye it's a symptom of an active personal issue. Need to get him some help and support him. Football will be a low priority unfortunately. He'll know he's letting himself down - we need to build him up.

[Abacus]

I want to see him with a traffic cone on his head, being pushed down a hill in a rickety shopping trolley.

[joeyt]

2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

My example, which you quoted, was literally about being sick in the toilets at a work function.

 

And sorry but as a professional footballer then any time you're in public, you're the face of the company and have to act accordingly. I'm as sure as I can be that in this day and age all contracts will even state as much, that you're representing the company when in public and are expected to behave as such and not say or do anything which would damage the club's reputation.

 

I know I have such standards expected of me, I've had to sign things about social media usage for example, about all kinds of other things. I got given 48 cans of Tuna (Random, I know) off a customer the other week and had to go declare them to my boss under our bribery policy ffs. When I was at Orange 2+ decades ago I had to sign something saying that if I was caught using a phone when driving I'd be sacked - was that "fair" when someone working at Tesco wouldn't get the same sanctions? No. But I was in a different industry and it was part of my job.

 

Footballers are role models and club ambassadors at all times. They have to set a good example. It's harsh on young people with loads of money and time, but it's still true.

 

But there's loads of professions you could say that about.

 

Should someone on Strictly Come Dancing not be allowed a night out to celebrate/commiserate because they're representing the BBC?

[JEToon]

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

[Stal]

I see both sides of this and there are reasonable points on both sides;

 

He should be able to enjoy a drink out however he is the face of the company when he's out. There should be understanding as he's going through a tough time and he has proved his loyalty to the club 100 times over.

 

Couple of my own additions;

 

as a professional athlete then just don't drink before matchday (which he didn't) and don't drink to excess in public

 

What did we say about that mackem player (I can't remember his name but I think they signed him from Everton) who got absolutely shitfaced and slagged off his team? I know Trippier hasn't done this, the point is more about embarrassing your club in public through drink.

 

I think the world of him for what he's done for us and I'd happily keep him at the club for years to come. That comes with a certain expectation of behavior in public though.

[The College Dropout]

Professional athletes shouldn't get vomit drunk during the season - if ever.

 

But Tripps issue is way deeper than professionalism so it doesn't really matter.

 

Truthfully - professional athletes probably shouldn't drink at all during the season. The scientific literature on alcohol and athletic performance is clear. It's a negative. Any amount. Impacts recovery

 

But as mentioned. This isn't a professionalism issue, athletic optimisation issue, representing the club issue. It's deeper. Lads life is spiralling downwards. Seemingly lost his family. Leaning into alcohol and women to fill the void. He needs support

 

 

Edited November 7 by The College Dropout

[Chris_R]

4 minutes ago, JEToon said:

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

 

It's about getting drunk in front of the people who pay your wages though, wages which are for being the best athlete you possibly can be which scientifically you just cannot be doing if you're getting drunk. It's just never a good look.

 

And in this day and age, it's not limited to being seen by the people in the room with you. Everyone has a camera. Everything will be seen by everyone. The rules and expectations have changed.

 

Again, not a hanging offence. Have a quiet word with the offender, remind them of their responsibilities and get back to work. But if there's a box for "unprofessional act", then getting very drunk in public to the point of being sick in the toilets definitely qualifies.

[Chris_R]

21 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

But there's loads of professions you could say that about.

 

Should someone on Strictly Come Dancing not be allowed a night out to celebrate/commiserate because they're representing the BBC?

 

Night out to celebrate /= chucking up in the bogs

 

I'd suggest that if someone on Strictly was photographed driving the porcelain bus at 2am it'd probably be on the front page of some gutter rag or other, so make of that what you will.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

27 minutes ago, JEToon said:

The idea a player shouldn't get drunk in public is, slightly hilarious, what an absurdly odd level of control to want to have over a human being 

 

Can't imagine how this place would've coped with Julies back in the '90's

[wormy]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

Speaking about an incident that you don't even know happened and transposing it on someone isn't really a discussion forum, it makes it closer to a gossip column and most people on here are better than that  

 

 New here, pal? 

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

 

It's about getting drunk in front of the people who pay your wages though, wages which are for being the best athlete you possibly can be which scientifically you just cannot be doing if you're getting drunk. It's just never a good look.

 

And in this day and age, it's not limited to being seen by the people in the room with you. Everyone has a camera. Everything will be seen by everyone. The rules and expectations have changed.

 

Again, not a hanging offence. Have a quiet word with the offender, remind them of their responsibilities and get back to work. But if there's a box for "unprofessional act", then getting very drunk in public to the point of being sick in the toilets definitely qualifies.

 

Loads of players and athletes want to cut lose now and then as a marker for them during the course of a season, a reward for achievement etc and so on, does that equate in "science" no, but players need to act like human beings now and then, if someone on a forum wants to judge a player for that, it makes them weird for it to me, nothing more or less. 

 

In the instance of the photo taken of Tripper, someone taking a photo of him in public makes them a weirdo, them a wrong un, not him. He wasn't falsely representing the club in anyway. He was doing something he is perfectly entitled to do. 

 

I don't buy tickets to games thinking that entitles to me to have a say in how players behave, where they go or what they do, they are human beings, they are allowed to enjoy their life. 

 

All this is just a bit weird to me in general though, seems some want to create a shtick and stink to have on a Newcastle player based on mostly gossip, very odd to me to want to do that