More transfer rumours

[Lush Vlad]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Me too, although according to the athletic the budget is in the high 10’s of millions. FFP concerns were cited. 

I thought there was a good article (may have been Swiss Ramble?). Saying we could spend about £200m a season for a while and we’d be ok? Due to Ashley being so tight for so long. 
 

I may be getting the numbers wrong. But I remember being quite surprised at how much scope we had and to still be complying with FFP. 

[Lush Vlad]

I think we’ll get one marquee name, similar to Bruno, but perhaps higher profile. A couple of decent players in the £20m-£30m sort of bracket and then a couple of younger/developmental types.
 

I suppose they will look at the free agent market, as well. But I don’t think we’re going to spend £150m-£200m and get half a new first team in right away. 
 

I think it’s a striker as priority, winger/wide forward type who could perhaps cover up top. Then a DM and a CB. Assuming we sign Targett permanently. New starters in those positions would make a world of difference. 
 

Not even going to attempt to guess on any names. As we’ve been linked with too many, I don’t watch as much European football as I used to and I don’t play FM or FIFA. 
 

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I thought there was a good article (may have been Swiss Ramble?). Saying we could spend about £200m a season for a while and we’d be ok? Due to Ashley being so tight for so long. 
 

I may be getting the numbers wrong. But I remember being quite surprised at how much scope we had and to still be complying with FFP. 

Yeah, I read the same thing and I think budgets are to be taken with a pinch of salt. That being said, it coming from the athletic makes it noteworthy in my eyes. 

[et tu brute]

4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I thought there was a good article (may have been Swiss Ramble?). Saying we could spend about £200m a season for a while and we’d be ok? Due to Ashley being so tight for so long. 
 

I may be getting the numbers wrong. But I remember being quite surprised at how much scope we had and to still be complying with FFP. 

Still got to factor in any new sponsorship/commercial deals into that also, which will be pretty significant. 

[STM]

I want us to make the most of players out of contract and on the last year's of their contract. Tielmans to play with Bruno would be outstanding IMO.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

Still got to factor in any new sponsorship/commercial deals into that also, which will be pretty significant. 

I mean, yes and no. Our owners have come out already and stated not to expect any related sponsorship deals (which is where the inflation occurs).  Let’s just hope they are lying about that :lol.

[madras]

12 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I thought there was a good article (may have been Swiss Ramble?). Saying we could spend about £200m a season for a while and we’d be ok? Due to Ashley being so tight for so long. 
 

I may be getting the numbers wrong. But I remember being quite surprised at how much scope we had and to still be complying with FFP. 

But that could be 200mill expansion on expenditure on things covered by FFP as opposed to just transfer fees.

 

I'd very much doubt t there is an actual figure for fees alone, it's not as if getting in a free transfer but paying 200kpw has no effect on the finances.

[madras]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

I want us to make the most of players out of contract and on the last year's of their contract. Tielmans to play with Bruno would be outstanding IMO.

Absolutely and more players are already being seen to do that.

 

The other side of that is we'll lose players to it as well.

[et tu brute]

Just now, r0cafella said:

I mean, yes and no. Our owners have come out already and stated not to expect any related sponsorship deals (which is where the inflation occurs).  Let’s just hope they are lying about that :lol.

I can't recall them saying anything official about future sponsorship. Just that they were working with the Premier League. 

[macphisto]

12 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I think we’ll get one marquee name, similar to Bruno, but perhaps higher profile. A couple of decent players in the £20m-£30m sort of bracket and then a couple of younger/developmental types.
 

I don't think you can get any decent players for £20-£30 million anymore. We'd pretty much be trading like for like; Almiron, Willock & Wood are all players in that bracket. Obviously there are exceptions in any price band but £20-£30 million buys you bang average players in the main. 

 

I'd reserve £20-£30 million for exceptional young players where there is also a risk but if it goes our way then they could become great players.

[r0cafella]

Just now, et tu brute said:

I can't recall them saying anything official about future sponsorship. Just that they were working with the Premier League. 

Was in the big post takeover piece the athletic did. Anyways this summer is pivotal as it’s important we show ourselves to be ambitious and serious about challenging the incumbents. 

[Manxst]

16 minutes ago, macphisto said:

I don't think you can get any decent players for £20-£30 million anymore. We'd pretty much be trading like for like; Almiron, Willock & Wood are all players in that bracket. Obviously there are exceptions in any price band but £20-£30 million buys you bang average players in the main. 

 

I'd reserve £20-£30 million for exceptional young players where there is also a risk but if it goes our way then they could become great players.

Odegaard, Cucurella, Tomiyasu, Cornet, Daka, Bentacur, Kulusevski, Mendy, Eze, Raphina, Thiago, Tsimikas, Walker-Peters have all been signed within the last year or two, were all within the 20-30m bracket and all would improve us. It’s easy to splash mega money on players but a decent scouting setup will go a long way to prevent us blowing money simply for the sake of it. Granted, at some point we’ll have to spend past that bracket on a regular basis simply to keep improving, but I don’t think we have to unless an exceptional deal becomes available, or if we (for example) wanted a ‘guaranteed’ 20 goal striker. 

[Lush Vlad]

22 minutes ago, macphisto said:

I don't think you can get any decent players for £20-£30 million anymore. We'd pretty much be trading like for like; Almiron, Willock & Wood are all players in that bracket. Obviously there are exceptions in any price band but £20-£30 million buys you bang average players in the main. 

 

I'd reserve £20-£30 million for exceptional young players where there is also a risk but if it goes our way then they could become great players.

I’m sure there will be players from Europe and/or in the last year of their contract that we can get and not get ripped off. We have wasted money and over-spent previously But also got some bargains. I don’t think it’s that unrealistic. 
 

Targett is going to be £15m, supposedly. He’s not far off decent and is far better than what we have had of late. Burn was £12m and is decent, if not spectacular. Trippier was £12m, albeit with different circumstances to most transfers. Bruno was low 30’s plus add ons, wasn’t he?
 

Depends on your definition, I guess. I originally typed top class and then realised that’s not going to happen for those sort of numbers. 

[Ikon]

What’s the deal with someone like Luka Jovic these days? Days totally numbered or in need of a new environment and proper game time? Could someone like him come in on loan and end up being a very good signing with some luck? 

[macphisto]

30 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Odegaard, Cucurella, Tomiyasu, Cornet, Daka, Bentacur, Kulusevski, Mendy, Eze, Raphina, Thiago, Tsimikas, Walker-Peters have all been signed within the last year or two, were all within the 20-30m bracket and all would improve us. It’s easy to splash mega money on players but a decent scouting setup will go a long way to prevent us blowing money simply for the sake of it. Granted, at some point we’ll have to spend past that bracket on a regular basis simply to keep improving, but I don’t think we have to unless an exceptional deal becomes available, or if we (for example) wanted a ‘guaranteed’ 20 goal striker. 

I could also give you a lot of others, many more than you listed, who are in the price bracket and would not improve the team. Just have a look at the transfers for this season. 

 

If we have the money then why not go out and buy the best players you can who are willing to come? It's like some people have been Ashleyized and are frightened to spend big money. Stuff this slowly, slowly approach. That is not to say there is not room for free transfers, buying cheap older players for experience like Trippier, but in the main to make significant improvements to the team we'll have to spend big money.

 

Who knows what our scouting system is at the moment but even if we had the best setup then we'd still recruit as many bad players as good in the £20/£30 million bracket. 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by macphisto

[Ikon]

There are lots of good signings to make. Buying guaranteed success and in form players will cost you a bomb. We can’t just buy these type of players. We have to make some shrewd business too.  The balance has to be right because we can’t just buy anyone we would like. 
 

Getting a fringe player from a club for example. One that should start for them but doesn’t have the vote of confidence in them from their manager, or someone in ridiculous form might be the reason X quality player doesn’t play and could be available and so on.. 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Ikon

[macphisto]

14 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’m sure there will be players from Europe and/or in the last year of their contract that we can get and not get ripped off. We have wasted money and over-spent previously But also got some bargains. I don’t think it’s that unrealistic. 
 

Targett is going to be £15m, supposedly. He’s not far off decent and is far better than what we have had of late. Burn was £12m and is decent, if not spectacular. Trippier was £12m, albeit with different circumstances to most transfers. Bruno was low 30’s plus add ons, wasn’t he?
 

Depends on your definition, I guess. I originally typed top class and then realised that’s not going to happen for those sort of numbers. 

I agree that in general we have had up and down times in our transfer history but the times we have challenged was when we relatively spent a lot of money. 

 

I am not saying getting ripped off, the key is value for money. I just don't know why some people are wanting to go down the free transfers, last year of contracts route only. There is a place for them but the key principle under these owners should be value for money. If a good player for £60-£70 million wants to come then go for it. 

 

All the players you listed are decent solid players, people like Targett and Burn I could see being around the 1st team for a few seasons ahead. The thing is though is that we can't have too many of that standard in the team overall, if we had the equivalent of those players elsewhere in the team then we wouldn't be much better than we are now.  

[macphisto]

6 minutes ago, Ikon said:

There are lots of good signings to make. Buying guaranteed success and in form players will cost you a bomb. We can’t just buy these type of players. We have to make some shrewd business too.  The balance has to be right because we can’t just buy anyone we would like. 
 

Getting a fringe player from a club for example. One that should start for them but doesn’t have the vote of confidence in them from their manager, or someone in ridiculous form might be the reason X quality player doesn’t play and could be available and so on.. 

 

 

 

These are just examples, I'm not advocating we go for these players but Philips from Leeds or Abraham from Roma. We might be in with a shout for either of those players and they would both cost £60 million-ish. If the club thought they would improve the team then why not go for them? 

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

4 minutes ago, macphisto said:

I agree that in general we have had up and down times in our transfer history but the times we have challenged was when we relatively spent a lot of money. 

 

I am not saying getting ripped off, the key is value for money. I just don't know why some people are wanting to go down the free transfers, last year of contracts route only. There is a place for them but the key principle under these owners should be value for money. If a good player for £60-£70 million wants to come then go for it. 

 

All the players you listed are decent solid players, people like Targett and Burn I could see being around the 1st team for a few seasons ahead. The thing is though is that we can't have too many of that standard in the team overall, if we had the equivalent of those players elsewhere in the team then we wouldn't be much better than we are now.  

But I listed those players and they cost considerably less than £30m. I’m not saying target those kind of players. I’d also say Trippier and Bruno are a bit more than just decent and solid. 
 

I also don’t think we should be going for freebies or options that are perceived as being cheap. I’m just saying there will be some good players available who clubs can’t afford to lose on a free. So we may be able to get before they wind their contract down. 
 

I don’t for one second think we will penny pinch. But I also think there are too many areas of need for us to be spending £50-£60m on too many players. 

[LFEE]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Would love Abraham. Had a brilliant season for Roma, he just gets on the end of chances.

We don’t make any though. Look at the service Wood has received.

[Mazzy]

Just now, LFEE said:

We don’t make any though. Look at the service Wood has received.

 

This is next season we are talking about though. Going to be very different to how we are now.

[Ikon]

4 minutes ago, macphisto said:

These are just examples, I'm not advocating we go for these players but Philips from Leeds or Abraham from Roma. We might be in with a shout for either of those players and they would both cost £60 million-ish. If the club thought they would improve the team then why not go for them? 

 

 

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t go for 50m players that will improve us no doubt. What I’m saying is that we also need to find “bargains”. Players available with great quality or potential that don’t cost 40-60m but prove to be great signings. We need 4-6 players. We won’t spend 200m or near. 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Ikon

[SUPERTOON]

2 hours ago, Ikon said:

Actually a very good shout. One that I’ve totally forgot about.  Spending say 60m on him feels more safe than say 30-35m on someone very young that hasn’t really proved anything but great potential. 
 

He’s like what? 24-25? Striker for more or less 10 years. 

 

 

 

Yep and proven in the premier league and has been brilliant for Roma 

[r0cafella]

How good is Philips? He’s played less than 50 games at the highest level at 26 years old. The figures quoted are eye watering too. 

[macphisto]

Just now, Lush Vlad said:

But I listed those players and they cost considerably less than £30m. I’m not saying target those kind of players. I’d also say Trippier and Bruno are a bit more than just decent and solid. 
 

I also don’t think we should be going for freebies or options that are perceived as being cheap. I’m just saying there will be some good players available who clubs can’t afford to lose on a free. So we may be able to get before they wind their contract down. 
 

I don’t for one second think we will penny pinch. But I also think there are too many areas of need for us to be spending £50-£60m on too many players. 

Trippier whilst a good player is 31. As you said, Bruno was more than £30 million and will probably end up closer to £40 million with addons which is the minimum price bracket we should be looking at in general as there are always exceptions. 

 

I understand people thinking we need to address the overall quality of the squad but I actually don't think the squad is that poor now. I could see us shooting up the league if we buy 3/4 real quality players, on a lesser scale but not too dissimilar to when we bought Robert and Bellamy under Robson. I would much rather go for quality over quantity as we can cover some of the holes in the squad that would be left over.