54 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Don't really understand the mentality of "We really need to bin these deals off that are taking time", in January I can understand it given how pressing everything would have been, but this window has only just officially opened, and we still have well over 2 months to get transfers done, we've also already signed two players (Pope and Targett), so they're clearly working on multiple deals at the same time, its not like they're slacking, or actively avoiding doing deals like in previous summers. If we've got our priority signings, we should try and exhaust every possible avenue to get it done, rather then just chuck them in the sea at the first sign of adversity. Think they've actually handled this perfectly to be honest. Edited June 23, 2022 by 54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gawalls said: As much as I trust the club and their signings- this one worried me anyway as I think he’s too inexperienced after just one season in a less stressful league and the thought of him being our main man when Wilson gets injured (and he will) isn’t a jolly thought. Well I'm with the club on this one tbh, from what I've seen he's got some real promise, and crucially looks to have some football intelligence as well. I can understand why they pushed hard for it, but ultimately he has to want the move himself as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Well I'm with the club on this one tbh, from what I've seen he's got some real promise, and crucially looks to have some football intelligence as well. I can understand why they pushed hard for it, but ultimately he has to want the move himself as well. Reminds me of Rafa and Abrahams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Reminds me of Rafa and Abrahams. I always felt we could have signed Abrahams back then if the club had backed Rafa. With this one it feels like Howe has been supported to the hilt to get his man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, NWMag said: Also how reliable is 90 mins? No other journo has backed their story up so far Although a lot of you don’t like to admit it but it’s what Luke Edwards said a couple of days ago. That the player was being badly advised and the agent was causing all the trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Problem is, without them the players would get absolutely fleeced by the clubs it would be horrendous. They are a necessary evil Fleeced? They're getting an annual salary every week. A lifetimes earnings in a year. And you're worried about the poor wee lambs getting fleeced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: And if they didn’t who do you think gets that money? The billionaire owners? Great. They get what they deserve for the amount of money they generate. It’s one of the only times under capitalism that the workers are not being exploited Where does the money come from is my major concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Problem is, without them the players would get absolutely fleeced by the clubs it would be horrendous. They are a necessary evil No they wouldn’t. KDB and RS at Man City both done their deals without an agent. Milner never had one and just used an FA guy. Until clubs stop paying agents instead of players there will always be anarchy. Absolute no need for them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I said it weeks ago that there was a touch of the Anelka about this lad when it comes to whoever was advising him. If his father is also heavily involved that will not be a link that will break so we’ll be dealing with bullshit frequently. If the club have walked away then it’s probably the right call. Again, we’re going on one journos tweet, nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 For what it’s worth, Sky are repeatedly going on the story of us still being interested ‘but prepared to walk away’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 It probably says something where I’d rather trust an agent over a journo, football is too full of slime bag shit houses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 The agent is working for the footballer at the end of the day. I would have thought if the player really wanted a move he could make it happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Happy with either walking away or walking away as a bargaining tactic. If the agent doesn’t back down then it clearly wasn’t going to happen anyway. Shame if it doesn’t work out as I was excited about this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: They are established mega stars. What about the guys coming up from academies? Already on £1000’s per week? They’ll be fine if they are good enough. None of them got parents or guardians to run things past? ? Footballers are no different to you or I. The perception given they need an agent is just rubbish. It’s basically PFM stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Football as in industry is absolutely ludicrously big. Not just on the club level but you have to factor in TV, bars, tourism, all The other media it funds. I’d Rather the talent got the money Aye, and the only poor cunts getting fleeced are the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) A professional agent will clearly be better at negotiating with football clubs than a footballer like They do more than just sort out contracts too. Edited June 23, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) If the player employs an agent then they should pay them. But I suppose practically it wouldn’t make much difference if players just demanded more to cover agent fees anyway. No doubt loads/most of agents are money-crazed twats. But I can see the need for someone to get the best possible deal for a player in such a rich industry. Just a shame if an agent doesn’t do what is right for their client’s career in order to trouser more cash. Edited June 23, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, 54 said: Don't really understand the mentality of "We really need to bin these deals off that are taking time", in January I can understand it given how pressing everything would have been, but this window has only just officially opened, and we still have well over 2 months to get transfers done, we've also already signed two players (Pope and Targett), so they're clearly working on multiple deals at the same time, its not like they're slacking, or actively avoiding doing deals like in previous summers. If we've got our priority signings, we should try and exhaust every possible avenue to get it done, rather then just chuck them in the sea at the first sign of adversity. Think they've actually handled this perfectly to be honest. Agreed, it is class that we have so many fans who are aware of how the recruitment team manage their time though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: Imagine how badly some parents would exploit their kids as well. It would be horrendous Shaved heads across the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: The vast majority are not on anywhere near that and are working class kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. You’d trust parents to make the right call? Negotiate contract law? They are much different to you or I in that they are a massively expensive commodity and subject to way different pressures than you or I You not got a contract with your job? I have and didn’t need a lawyer or agent to check it. Footballers have a union. One of the strongest in the country. Just use them. PS Players don’t even pay for their own union membership. Another that needs to change. They should all be paying 5% into a pot. Honestly man don’t get me started on modern day footballers being hard done by or exploited ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 There is a huge amount of exploitation of kids strung along with hope they will get signed and then dumped after they've given up their education with little subsequent support. Plenty with good reason to feel hard done by Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Ekitike deal isn't dead, but clearly there's some brinkmanship going on by the agent and we are getting frustrated. If the player is serious about coming he'd be kicking off to get this sorted - it's no doubt posturing on our part with element of seriousness about pulling out if we keep getting dicked around. It's frustrating, but I'm pleased we are no push over and there's still plenty of time to get other targets in if we do find this one is not worth our time and effort. Wouldn't surprise me either if next week its back on. Edited June 23, 2022 by hakka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Players should have agents just as, rather topically, workers should be in unions. We see time and again that Union represented staff get better deals. The only problem is, as NUFC fans we're cheering on the corporation. That's why we don't think they should have agents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Yes, that isn’t the players fault though. I didn't say it was. I'm just saying that getting half the annual salary each week isn't being fleeced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Players should have agents just as, rather topically, workers should be in unions. We see time and again that Union represented staff get better deals. The only problem is, as NUFC fans we're cheering on the corporation. That's why we don't think they should have agents. Maybe we should set up a players union. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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