SEMTEX Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Wr can’t do that, though. Sure we can. Creative accounting always finds a way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 17 minutes ago, Novocastrian said: Has Mike Ashley come back. I know FFP is constraining us to a degree but surely we aren’t selling our best players? Release clause would mean no choice, and FFP would mean that we know we need to. There is a reason we’re targeting players of the profile we are - high resale value. I said a while back that what is being talked about is Ashley’s plan, only on steroids and with a genuine goal for impermanent. I’m ok with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Just now, SEMTEX said: Sure we can. Creative accounting always finds a way. It doesn’t, though. The entire transfer fee would land in this financial year for FFP purposes. The transfer contract isn’t hidden form the PL or UEFA. There isn’t a way to hide intent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 If he does goes, let’s not have Eddie doing this: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 10 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Release clause would mean no choice, and FFP would mean that we know we need to. There is a reason we’re targeting players of the profile we are - high resale value. I said a while back that what is being talked about is Ashley’s plan, only on steroids and with a genuine goal for impermanent. I’m ok with that. The difference with Ashley's plan is that the end goal is to win stuff, not to make a quick personal profit at the expense of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Just now, TRon said: The difference with Ashley's plan is that the end goal is to win stuff, not to make a quick personal profit at the expense of the club. Exactly. If Bruno was sold under Ashley I’d have been pissing blood. If Bruno is sold under the current ownership, it’s because it is simply another stepping stone on the way to further growth. No player is unsellable at any club. If PSG bid, he’s off - they wouldn’t bid without putting feelers out first on a transfer of this size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 23 minutes ago, danny said: All you got to do is look at him, he aint going nowhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 When he does go, I can take him going to PSG. Not somewhere like Liverpool though. That would be truly gutting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Exactly. If Bruno was sold under Ashley I’d have been pissing blood. If Bruno is sold under the current ownership, it’s because it is simply another stepping stone on the way to further growth. No player is unsellable at any club. If PSG bid, he’s off - they wouldn’t bid without putting feelers out first on a transfer of this size. Not sure if PSG is where he'll end up, think he might end up in Spain, but aye if he goes, we've made sure we'll make enough out of the deal to fund a top class replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Exactly. If Bruno was sold under Ashley I’d have been pissing blood. If Bruno is sold under the current ownership, it’s because it is simply another stepping stone on the way to further growth. No player is unsellable at any club. If PSG bid, he’s off - they wouldn’t bid without putting feelers out first on a transfer of this size. If he’d be happy at PSG then he’s not the bloke I thought he was. I get the release clause and I also get the fact we aren’t mature enough as a bona fide elite team to fend off those type of requests from players and/or their agents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Not sure if PSG is where he'll end up, think he might end up in Spain, but aye if he goes, we've made sure we'll make enough out of the deal to fund a top class replacement. 100%. It might even lead to a change in tactics etc - I’m sure Howe & co have plans for all scenarios. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Just now, Novocastrian said: If he’d be happy at PSG then he’s not the bloke I thought he was. I get the release clause and I also get the fact we aren’t mature enough as a bona fide elite team to fend off those type of requests from players and/or their agents. I don’t think we should get upset or think less of him if it happens - it’s a very short career, and he’s not getting any younger. NUFC aren’t getting CL football next season, and the drop-off in form makes us especially vulnerable. I know the support views it as a ‘project’, but ageing footballers will likely take a different view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 22 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Release clause would mean no choice, and FFP would mean that we know we need to. There is a reason we’re targeting players of the profile we are - high resale value. I said a while back that what is being talked about is Ashley’s plan, only on steroids and with a genuine goal for impermanent. I’m ok with that. We have to sell a big player at some point. Ashworth said himself that we have to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Just now, nufc123 said: We have to sell a big player at some point. Ashworth said himself that we have to sell. Yeah, this is it like. If NUFC are to become what we’re hoping, it never seemed likely that the first batch of signings would be there for the long haul. I totally understand why people would get anxious about this happening, but we’ve experienced this before - the sale of Andy Cole. This isn’t a ‘selling club’ anymore in the sense that it’s about profit for profit’s sake. Also, he’s still here last I checked - this could all be bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: It doesn’t, though. The entire transfer fee would land in this financial year for FFP purposes. The transfer contract isn’t hidden form the PL or UEFA. There isn’t a way to hide intent. I believe in the power of creative accountancy and financial corruption more than I believe in the ability of the number crunchers at the PL/UEFA. Soz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 So we are the Mackems on the next level up. How depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Tonali was his replacement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 (edited) If he does go, anywhere but another english club Edited January 5, 2024 by Peppe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 34 minutes ago, OverThere said: So we are the Mackems on the next level up. How depressing. Whey no. If he went, the money would be ploughed back in. Also, the club wouldn’t have a choice. Look at it from Bruno’s perspective - even we get back into the top four next season, Bruno would turn 29 during the group stage. And that’s if we make it. Plus a move to PSG would see him likely get a massive pay ramp and a signing on fee. He’s also not a boyhood fan or owt. None of us would’ve thought for a second that he was wrong to leave Lyon for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 29 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Whey no. If he went, the money would be ploughed back in. Also, the club wouldn’t have a choice. Look at it from Bruno’s perspective - even we get back into the top four next season, Bruno would turn 29 during the group stage. And that’s if we make it. Plus a move to PSG would see him likely get a massive pay ramp and a signing on fee. He’s also not a boyhood fan or owt. None of us would’ve thought for a second that he was wrong to leave Lyon for us. This is the part I wonder about. Not the ploughing in of the money, no doubts about that. It's how do you go about replacing the gigantic hole in the squad? Bruno brings character, quality and personality, he makes the entire team tick really. He's a massive influence on Joelinton and others. How do you go about replacing this level of quality and class? You're talking 2-3 times what we paid for him in the first place probably (always assuming a player like this exists and can be persuaded to join us) and even then, no guarantees the new lad will bring what Bruno has brought to us. I want to fire FFP into the fucking sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said: This is the part I wonder about. Not the ploughing in of the money, no doubts about that. It's how do you go about replacing the gigantic hole in the squad? Bruno brings character, quality and personality, he makes the entire team tick really. He's a massive influence on Joelinton and others. How do you go about replacing this level of quality and class? You're talking 2-3 times what we paid for him in the first place probably (always assuming a player like this exists and can be persuaded to join us) and even then, no guarantees the new lad will bring what Bruno has brought to us. I want to fire FFP into the fucking sun. Don’t think we would look to directly replace him, more 2/3 signings in to have a better team overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 (edited) I'm struggling to see why he'd leave us for PSG, especially when they could be losing Mbappe. PSG aren't the side they were in previous years and they'll definitely not be winning the Champions League any time soon. As a south American he will surely want to angle towards Barca or Madrid if its abroad, but if he was to stay in England it'd be somewhere like City where he'd win plenty of trophies. Its fairly obvious where Newcastle are aiming to be in the coming years and I'm sure that's been sold to him, so I find it hard to believe he'd leave for the likes of PSG but I guess we'll soon find out. Edited January 5, 2024 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 Surely he won't go back to france he just came from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 57 minutes ago, Peppe said: If he does go, anywhere but another english club Guess somewhere like Leyton Orient would be ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 5, 2024 Share Posted January 5, 2024 I'd get barca on the blower and swap him for de Jong and raphina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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