Jinky Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 11 hours ago, Paullow said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–74_European_Cup_Winners'_Cup#Second_leg_2 As we play Dortmund in the Champions League, It'll be exactly 50 years tomorrow since Sunderland last played in Europe, their 4th match to date. Several of them, recently, when asked what their biggest regret was .......... 'Not entering the Inter Toto Cup, when they had the chance!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, manorpark said: The European Fairs Cup was never 'demoted' (not sure what that means). In 1971 the name changed to UEFA Cup when UEFA took over the organisation of it. The Fairs Cup was a much higher quality tournament than it's immediate successor (UEFA Cup) eventually became and the Europa League that it eventually changed to, as in the Fairs Cup days only the one top team from each country went into the European Cup so most of the top teams were in the Fairs Cup. Nowadays most of those top teams are in the European Cup / Champions League. Someone told me a few year back that UEFA don’t recognise the Fairs Cup as it was a FIFA sponsored competition, don’t know if that’s true or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, manorpark said: The European Fairs Cup was never 'demoted' (not sure what that means). In 1971 the name changed to UEFA Cup when UEFA took over the organisation of it. The Fairs Cup was a much higher quality tournament than it's immediate successor (UEFA Cup) eventually became and the Europa League that it eventually changed to, as in the Fairs Cup days only the one top team from each country went into the European Cup so most of the top teams were in the Fairs Cup. Nowadays most of those top teams are in the European Cup / Champions League. UEFA didn't recognise the Fairs Cup and the formation of the UEFA Cup was to stop it. When we won it we'd finished 10th and got in because there was a ridiculous one club-one city rule, which meant, Everton, Spurs and Arsenal finished above us but didn't qualify. Man Utd were runners up to Man City but qualified for the European Cup as holders. Edited November 7, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, madras said: UEFA didn't recognise the Fairs Cup and the formation of the UEFA Cup was to stop it. When we won it we'd finished 10th and got in because there was a ridiculous one club-one city rule, which meant, Everton, Spurs and Arsenal finished above us but didn't qualify. Man Utd were runners up to Man City but qualified for the European Cup as holders. Who cares if UEFA didn't "recognise" the Fairs Cup, perhaps they are just a poor quality organisation. Historically this UEFA organisation did not organise all European Football Tournaments, they do now. Despite all your points above, the Fairs Cup was a much better, much more difficult to win "2nd European Tournament" than the UEFA Cup eventually became, for the reasons I stated. You shouldn't put too much stock in what UEFA ever say, about anything. I think we all know what type of organisation they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Someone told me a few year back that UEFA don’t recognise the Fairs Cup as it was a FIFA sponsored competition, don’t know if that’s true or not. As said earlier, who cares whether UEFA need new glasses or not?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, manorpark said: Who cares if UEFA didn't "recognise" the Fairs Cup, perhaps they are just a poor quality organisation. Historically this UEFA organisation did not organise all European Football Tournaments, they do now. Despite all your points above, the Fairs Cup was a much better, much more difficult to win "2nd European Tournament" than the UEFA Cup eventually became, for the reasons I stated. You shouldn't put too much stock in what UEFA ever say, about anything. I think we all know what type of organisation they are. All right take a prozac and think happy things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Just now, madras said: All right take a prozac and think happy things. I'll let you have the prozac matey, if you need it. ME . . . never !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, FloydianMag said: Someone told me a few year back that UEFA don’t recognise the Fairs Cup as it was a FIFA sponsored competition, don’t know if that’s true or not. Fuck em. UEFA can get in the bin. Barcelona count it, so I'm certainly counting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: Fuck em. UEFA can get in the bin. Barcelona count it, so I'm certainly counting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, manorpark said: Remember them all bar Eric Ross Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 8 hours ago, manorpark said: The European Fairs Cup was never 'demoted' (not sure what that means). In 1971 the name changed to UEFA Cup when UEFA took over the organisation of it. The Fairs Cup was a much higher quality tournament than it's immediate successor (UEFA Cup) eventually became and the Europa League that it eventually changed to, as in the Fairs Cup days only the one top team from each country went into the European Cup so most of the top teams were in the Fairs Cup. Nowadays most of those top teams are in the European Cup / Champions League. Yes, I know that. That was my point. The previous poster’s post implied that the Fairs Cup wasn’t equal. Also: demote/ˌdiːˈməʊt/verbpast tense: demoted; past participle: demoted move (someone) to a lower position or rank, usually as a punishment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Scoot said: My mackem mates claim they have been robbed five games this season, with var they would be a few points clear in 3rd. But yeah fuck that, let's stay midtable and have more noise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Scoot said: ‘Man with tiny cock says ‘tiny cocks are the best’’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave s Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 they’re the strangest of strange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: ‘Man with tiny cock says ‘tiny cocks are the best’’ They are! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Wayne Rooney in town today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Fezzle said: My mackem mates claim they have been robbed five games this season, with var they would be a few points clear in 3rd. But yeah fuck that, let's stay midtable and have more noise * *delete Insert booos/hockle/shits in the seats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: *delete Insert booos/hockle/shits in the seats ya divvnt undastand marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Rooney is such a shit manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 In fairness to Sunderland - Clarke is a good player, 2 assists today I think and everything comes down their left. Birmingham kicked them all over the pitch as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Fair play. Mackems over-achieving again this year so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Southampton seem to be flying again and Ross Stewart just back to full fitness now as well. Wonder if that one will bite them when it comes to finishing top 6, winning the Play-Offs, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wallsendmag Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Very classy behaviour on show there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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