KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Be disappointed in us giving Man Utd money for a bang average player ? And you can’t have seen much of him if you think his speed is an attribute, it his pressing since he’s never played in a pressing side. So according to you he is slow and doesn't press well yeah? You're the one that has no idea of what type of player he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Could we get McTominay without CL football? I imagine we would face stiff competition from the rest of the big 6 and the big boys on the continent. Don’t go there, plz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: So according to you he is slow and doesn't press well yeah? You're the one that has no idea of what type of player he is. Have you watched him or Man Utd in the last few years ? When has he or them played a pressing style ? I’m not sure what you are on about tbh. I’m not saying he can’t press, but you can’t list it as a big attribute when he’s never been asked to do it. Edited March 5, 2023 by SUPERTOON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: So according to you he is slow and doesn't press well yeah? You're the one that has no idea of what type of player he is. We have Longstaff and Joelinton who are performing a similar role. We need to add quality in area so we don’t have to rely so heavily on Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: We have Longstaff and Joelinton who are performing a similar role. We need to add quality in area so we don’t have to rely so heavily on Bruno. Well that's down to the manager, and he should be allowed to build up the squad as he sees fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, KaKa said: Well that's down to the manager, and he should be allowed to build up the squad as he sees fit. Hopefully there’s a fair few others that are having their say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, r0cafella said: We have Longstaff and Joelinton who are performing a similar role. We need to add quality in area so we don’t have to rely so heavily on Bruno. He is fucking shit, and another one of those manu wankstain shit players that they rob other clubs from. Nah fuck signing more of their cast off players. We have been down that road before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 52 minutes ago, Andy84 said: I think he’d be an upgrade to Longstaff He really wouldn't Longstaff has some limitations but he isn't a football coward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Have you watched him or Man Utd in the last few years ? When has he or them played a pressing style ? I’m not sure what you are on about tbh. I’m not saying he can’t press, but you can’t list it as a big attribute when he’s never been asked to do it. Do you even know what pressing is? So you've never seen Man Utd or McTominay press and close down the opposition in any game? Are you serious? This is embarrassing man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Do you even know what pressing is? So you've never seen Man Utd or McTominay press and close down the opposition in any game? Are you serious? This is embarrassing man. I can’t be arsed getting in to it with you, you simply can’t accept anyone having a different opinion to you when it even slightly negative. Of course he or they close down during a game every player does but it isn’t a strength of his game. You also seem to think he has pace, yet he has recorded slower speeds than lindelof and Phil jones and was only slightly quicker than Matic when he was at Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, maze said: Hopefully there’s a fair few others that are having their say. I'm sure there will be and their recommendations will largely be based on data. Last season he played the most minutes he ever has in the premier league and his disruptive numbers stood out, and so if we're looking for another midfielder that is very active in breaking things up then he will have been flagged. I mean it would hardly be a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: I can’t be arsed getting in to it with you, you simply can’t accept anyone having a different opinion to you when it even slightly negative. Of course he or they close down during a game every player does but it isn’t a strength of his game. You also seem to think he has pace, yet he has recorded slower speeds than lindelof and Phil jones and was only slightly quicker than Matic when he was at Man Utd. Fine lets not discuss this any further because I completely disagree with your assertion that he is slow and he doesn't press and close down players well. I genuinely have no idea what you are watching if that is what you are seeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 McTominay, yeah hard pass on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Every single professional midfielder in the premier league can press the ball, I mean come on now. There’s a reason the very first thing ETH did was upgrade their midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: Every single professional midfielder in the premier league can press the ball, I mean come on now. There’s a reason the very first thing ETH did was upgrade their midfield. I'm completely bored of this discussion. His break up numbers ,which I posted above, speak for themselves. If Howe does want him and does sign him, I'd be interested to see how he is used and what he gets out of him, and will not be over reacting beforehand. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 McTominay is a far better player than Longstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm completely bored of this discussion. His break up numbers ,which I posted above, speak for themselves. If Howe does want him and does sign him, I'd be interested to see how he is used and what he gets out of him, and will not be over reacting beforehand. Simple as that. Think this is the key really. Our manager wants a player, whatever we happen to think of him, if we've learned anything it's that EH can coach and get performances out of anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 I’m not sure how buying a Manure reject is going to make us compete in the top 6? It has never worked out for us buying rejects from Manure. We need WAY better than what we got now. WAY better. McTominay is not that. He provides depth. That’s it imo. If we are buying from top 6 I’d rather look in to what Chelski has to offload in the summer. Their squad is superbloated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm completely bored of this discussion. His break up numbers ,which I posted above, speak for themselves. If Howe does want him and does sign him, I'd be interested to see how he is used and what he gets out of him, and will not be over reacting beforehand. Simple as that. They do in one season, if you check his full breakdown not so much. There are lots of red flags in his numbers and beyond that the eye test also applies. If Howe wants him that’s his choice, he’s not God and people are allowed to question it. All stats are fallible, see Chris Wood’s “headers won” stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 McTominay isn't a signing I'd expect from a team looking to win the PL within 5-10 years. I think that's as kindly as I can put it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said: Think this is the key really. Our manager wants a player, whatever we happen to think of him, if we've learned anything it's that EH can coach and get performances out of anyone. This is true, but you can still only get so far improving average players. Summer is the time to go for real quality in the key areas imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: They do in one season, if you check his full breakdown not so much. There are lots of red flags in his numbers and beyond that the eye test also applies. If Howe wants him that’s his choice, he’s not God and people are allowed to question it. All stats are fallible, see Chris Wood’s “headers won” stat. Breaking news everyone, apparently Howe is not God In my opinion, if you bring in a manager you give him the players he wants so that any judgement of his performance can be completely fair. If he brings in any players and it doesn't pan out and it leads to poor performances then he can be held fully culpable. Simple. Edited March 5, 2023 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Not sure why there’s so much squabbling. Eddie and his team know what they want to improve and will have scouting reports and stats etc. If they think he’s worth buying its for a specific reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, SUPERTOON said: This is true, but you can still only get so far improving average players. Summer is the time to go for real quality in the key areas imo. And I think we will. I was just making a point of trust in Howe as a coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Breaking news everyone, apparently Howe is not God In my opinion, if you bring in a manager you give him the players he wants so that any judgement of his performance can be completely fair. If he brings in any players that doesn't pan out and it leads to poor performances then he can be held fully culpable. Simple. well yeah but I’m not acting as if he can’t be questioned. What is the literal point of a discussion forum if we just go “Howe liked him so I can’t say he’s a bad player”? If Howe wanted to sign Jack Colback are we not going to be able to say “Colback is gash”? It makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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