gdm Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, KaKa said: It never ceases to amaze me how much Brits seemingly dislike their own players. Even Rice, who I've always thought was a good player, used to get killed on here whenever there were England games on. In the last year when all the top clubs started showing interest with his time at West Ham winding down, then now everyone on here rates him and wants him too. Where does the fact a lot of the same people that don’t want Gallagher want Maddison fit in with this anti English bullshit theory? maybe, just maybe the fact Gallagher having a dreadful season is putting a lot of people off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, KaKa said: It never ceases to amaze me how much Brits seemingly dislike their own players. Even Rice, who I've always thought was a good player, used to get killed on here whenever there were England games on. In the last year when all the top clubs started showing interest with his time at West Ham winding down, then now everyone on here rates him and wants him too. Not sure it’s about nationality; I’ve seen posters dismiss very good non-British players that play in the PL as well. Imo it’s got a lot to do with people scouting foreign-league players on YouTube, where their best hits are being shown on a highlight reel- whereas they’ve seen PL players playing all the time, warts and all, so their familiarity and knowledge of their weaknesses make them less appealing. People just seem want shiny new things and I don’t mean that in a condescending way. As an example: If we didn’t already have him and he was still in Ligue 1 offering similar performances as he is here, people would probably be absolutely frothing over the idea of signing Saint Maximin. Yet many are very happy to sell him (rightly or wrongly). Edited May 31, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) To me Gallagher has shown more in the past than McTominay, although he did always look poor this season. It’s the English premium that’s really offputting. It’ll be £40m+ and 100k per week on someone that might not merit going straight into the first team. Edited May 31, 2023 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: So were about a dozen other clubs to be fair. I like Adams, but we'll be looking for someone with more quality on the ball you'd have thought. From Gallagher, McTominay and Adams, I'd prefer Adams from the three. Think Eddie could really do something with him. Personally can't see the fuss in any of that Chelsea lot. Mount, RLC, Gallagher etc. They'll all be massively overpriced, on big wedge and have limited impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, gdm said: Where does the fact a lot of the same people that don’t want Gallagher want Maddison fit in with this anti English bullshit theory? maybe, just maybe the fact Gallagher having a dreadful season is putting a lot of people off. Just very quickly off the top of my head ... Gallagher, Mount, Rice, Grealish, Ramsdale, Pickford have all typically got a hard time on here. I mean these are all at the very least somewhere between solid to really good players. I just don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, McCormick said: Not sure it’s about nationality; I’ve seen posters dismiss very good non-British players that play in the PL as well. Imo it’s got a lot to do with people scouting foreign-league players on YouTube, where their best hits are being shown on a highlight reel- whereas they’ve seen PL players playing all the time, warts and all, so their familiarity and knowledge of their weaknesses make them less appealing. People want shiny new things. If we didn’t already have him and he was still in Ligue 1 offering similar performances as he is here, people would probably be absolutely frothing over the idea of signing Saint Maximin. Yet many are very happy to sell him (rightly or wrongly). Yeah, fair point. Maybe it's just a Premier League familiarity thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Just very quickly off the top of my head ... Gallagher, Mount, Rice, Grealish, Ramsdale, Pickford have all typically got a hard time on here. I mean these are all at the very least somewhere between solid to really good players. I just don't get it. Ward Prowse too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Just now, KaKa said: Just very quickly off the top of my head ... Gallagher, Mount, Rice, Grealish, Ramsdale, Pickford have all typically got a hard time on here. I mean these are all at the very least somewhere between solid to really good players. I just don't get it. Most people here under-rated Nick Pope too. A lot of "he's no better than Dubs" when he's streaks ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: Most people here under-rated Nick Pope too. A lot of "he's no better than Dubs" when he's streaks ahead. Yes indeed. He was another one. I also noticed whenever we get linked with these players, there'll usually be someone mentioning Howe's Brexit Mags or something similarly strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 It's definite anti-British sentiment among football fans. It extends to players and coaches. It's not alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, fair point. Maybe it's just a Premier League familiarity thing. I’d agree with that rather than a nationality thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: Just very quickly off the top of my head ... Gallagher, Mount, Rice, Grealish, Ramsdale, Pickford have all typically got a hard time on here. I mean these are all at the very least somewhere between solid to really good players. I just don't get it. The more you see a player the more likely it is that you’ve seen him have a poor game (and if they’re your own nationality, you’ve seen them way more than other players). The old “familiarity breeds contempt” idea in practice, really. Oh and possibly the stereotype of Brits being massive moaners in general may come in to play too . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Not sure what kind of fee they'd ask for but I'd much prefer a move for Eze than Gallagher if it was possible. Think he'd slot in brilliantly into our current system and could play centrally or wide. Probably only the previous injury is a red flag. Tbh I'd probably even prefer him to Maddison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, The Prophet said: If we did part with serious cash for Gallagher, there's no way that he's coming in as a squad player. I also couldn't care whether that cash is going to Chelsea, our own needs are far more important. But Chelsea repairing themselves affects us... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Yes indeed. He was another one. I also noticed whenever we get linked with these players, there'll usually be someone mentioning Howe's Brexit Mags or something similarly strange. I may have been guilty of that when we were linked with Gordon and spoke about his previous record at Bournemouth. But I legit watched a fair amount of Gordon (and have been right about him so far). I only watch PL & CL. So I only talk about players in this division in detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 We shouldn't be buying players like Gallagher and McTominay that aren't good enough for Chelsea and Man United, if they aren't good enough for them then they aren't good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, McCormick said: The more you see a player the more likely it is that you’ve seen him have a poor game (and if they’re your own nationality, you’ve seen them way more than other players). The old “familiarity breeds contempt” idea in practice, really. Oh and possibly the stereotype of Brits being massive moaners in general may come in to play too . Grealish & Rice are/were routinely good to great though. And have had good games against us too. No doubt if they were Spanish they would be higher rated. Same as Nick Pope. Routinely great for Burnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Likewise, across football, Brazilian players are over-rated by clubs and fans alike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Geogaddi said: We shouldn't be buying players like Gallagher and McTominay that aren't good enough for Chelsea and Man United, if they aren't good enough for them then they aren't good enough for us. I'm not necessarily saying we should be buying these players, but I think we give these clubs way too much credit sometimes. I don't think a lot of them manage their players very well, and so a lot of talent slips through the cracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 When it comes to British players (we do need them in the squad) I’d rather go for young guys that are ready to make the step up, like Brennan Johnson, Gibbs-White, Alex Scott, over guys that have had a chance at a top club already, then not looked good enough and found themselves on the “get rid” list (Gallagher and McTominay). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: It's definite anti-British sentiment among football fans. It extends to players and coaches. It's not alone. Not just in England as well but around the world there’s this idea that England produces overrated players. I disagree; I watch a lot of world football and England are top 3/4 imo for producing talent in numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Gallagher has only had Boehly-era Chelsea. Can't judge him too harshly for that. MGW is the same age as Gallagher and has shown similar ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, McCormick said: Not just in England as well but around the world there’s this idea that England produces overrated players. I disagree; I watch a lot of world football and England are top 3/4 imo for producing talent in numbers. If Chelsea never get that transfer ban, we probably never see the likes of Fikayo Tomori, Reece James and Mason Mount come through like they did, or even Tammy Abraham who had a really good season that year too. Watching their last few games, I think they have another gem on their hands in Lewis Hall at left back, but he's already got Cucurella and Chilwell ahead of him. I'd 100% be looking to snatch him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, KaKa said: Ward Prowse too! I don't know why, but I see Ward Prowse as a modern day Neil Redfearn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Stal said: I don't know why, but I see Ward Prowse as a modern day Neil Redfearn. A slightly better Ryan Taylor... Would be ideal if we could sub them on for free kicks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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