TomYam Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I've always found it odd that our club's date of origin is recorded as being 1892 rather than 1881. Stanley/East End, formed in 1881, is indisputably the foundation club of NUFC. The name change should not be the point of origin as it isn't for the many other clubs that have changed name. Manchester United, for example, are recorded as being founded in 1878, yet they changed their name from Newton Heath in 1902 at the point of liquidation and only moved to Old Trafford in 1910. Some would cite it's because we merged with our neighbours West End, but that doesn't hold water; West End went bust and East End simply moved into their superior ground St. James's. East End changed their name for two reasons: to try and appease the former rival fans of West End and to mark a new beginning as the sole club representing the city of Newcastle as a professional team. We immedoately applied for membership of the FL and joined the following year. So, for those that care about the clubs factual history, should the records be changed to reflect the true date of birth of NUFC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1992 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Wow... of all the things to care about ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I don't know anything about the history but I would have assumed it was the 'uniting' that is the foundation of the current incarnation of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Could have had our strips made by Cerruti if this happened. And no. The clue is in “United” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Butcher said: 1992 The only correct answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 According to Luke Edwards, we’re in talks with a few different years of origin but we’re not as close as Romano reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I remember it like it was yesterday. I do get the argument that the East End team were a consistent one from 1881 and just moved locations. However, I think that the act of changing the name to bring along the West End fans does in fact mean that is both symbolically and in reality the start of Newcastle United, i.e. a united Newcastle team. But I'd like to hear what Gabby Agbonlahor thinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, TomYam said: I've always found it odd that our club's date of origin is recorded as being 1892 rather than 1881. Stanley/East End, formed in 1881, is indisputably the foundation club of NUFC. The name change should not be the point of origin as it isn't for the many other clubs that have changed name. Manchester United, for example, are recorded as being founded in 1878, yet they changed their name from Newton Heath in 1902 at the point of liquidation and only moved to Old Trafford in 1910. Some would cite it's because we merged with our neighbours West End, but that doesn't hold water; West End went bust and East End simply moved into their superior ground St. James's. East End changed their name for two reasons: to try and appease the former rival fans of West End and to mark a new beginning as the sole club representing the city of Newcastle as a professional team. We immedoately applied for membership of the FL and joined the following year. So, for those that care about the clubs factual history, should the records be changed to reflect the true date of birth of NUFC? It's not as simple as that though is it? It was a unification rather than East End just moving to SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Should split again IMO. Makes me sick thinking about those East End bastards in our spiritual home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUMPO235 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ste said: According to Luke Edwards, we’re in talks with a few different years of origin but we’re not as close as Romano reports. His sources are telling him no quite there yet, but it’s definitely a date between today and the dawn of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 For anyone interested there's a book " All with smiling faces" Does a great history on the club from Stanley Street, through the glory years to first World War. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: It's not as simple as that though is it? It was a unification rather than East End just moving to SJP. More of a takeover as I understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 ... OBAFEMI MARTINS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, FLUMPO235 said: His sources are telling him no quite there yet, but it’s definitely a date between today and the dawn of time. One things clear, he’s sick of north east journalists such as his good self, receiving so much flack and spreading misinformation and posting click bait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, madras said: More of a takeover as I understand it. Aye, but people from NWE were kept on. We didn't cease being Newcastle United when the Saudis took over so I think the same principle applies like. Not that I think it matters too much, but it's a case of this imo. Tyne Association/Newcastle East End 1881 - 1892 Newcastle West End 1882 - 1892 Newcastle United (unofficially) 1892 / (officially) 1895 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 We were informally unofficially formed in 1881. Clubs and teams change their name all the time and move to locations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Abacus said: I remember it like it was yesterday. I do get the argument that the East End team were a consistent one from 1881 and just moved locations. However, I think that the act of changing the name to bring along the West End fans does in fact mean that is both symbolically and in reality the start of Newcastle United, i.e. a united Newcastle team. But I'd like to hear what Gabby Agbonlahor thinks. Yeah, I'd say 1881 would be the factual birthday but 1892 to be the symbolic birthday. At least either can be based in fact rather than the weapons grade horseshit Crystal Palace are trying to pull with their foundation date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Informally unofficially doesn't sound very formal or official. Edited August 24, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 FWIW it's also why I think the maroon and blue hoops and off white shorts should be a much more prominent away choice for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Informally unofficially doesn't sound very formal or official. Yes, Prime Minister. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Aye, but people from NWE were kept on. We didn't cease being Newcastle United when the Saudis took over so I think the same principle applies like. Not that I think it matters too much, but it's a case of this imo. Tyne Association/Newcastle East End 1881 - 1892 Newcastle West End 1882 - 1892 Newcastle United (unofficially) 1892 / (officially) 1895 I'll have to hunt the book out. What I mean by more of a takeover was it was something daft like 1 player and 1 board member made it from West End to the new club, all the rest were from the other club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Speaking of which. Tyneside Life gets a lot of love and he's good, but I think this guy gets much more into it, even if I do disagree with the 1881 founding year which is I think a bit disrespectful to Newcastle West End. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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