Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[Crayola Kid]

27 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

I’d happily see us lose out on the add ons, I couldn’t wish more ill will on him if I tried. 

That's more or less what I feel. Quite honestly the ill will to Isak is there but maybe not so strong as the longstanding ill will towards his new club.

[Chris_R]

Yeah if getting a few more million means having to watch the rat bang in goal after goal whilst Liverpool win the league, I'll pass thanks.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

I've read a fair amount comment that we should have offered Isak fresh terms, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour. It's fair enough really and more nuanced than the straw men being chucked about.

 

It's a pointless discussion regardless. Isak's gone now and only he will know his motivations for leaving.

Yeh that’s what I agree with @TheBrownBottle on.  
 

It’s not excusing his behaviour. But it acknowledges the club did not manage the situation perfectly. 
 

A lot of fans have issues with him wanting to leave in the first place I think. I have no issue with Isak wanting to leave, in his situation 90% of people would too. He went about it in an awful manner. 
 

I expect Tonali would heavily consider leaving at the end of this season. He might even push for it. But I don’t expect him to go on strike and refuse to train. He’s got better regard for the club and fans than that. 

[The Fountain]

2 hours ago, Crayola Kid said:

Wonder what needs to happen to trigger all of the add-ons.

Qualify for champs league, play xx games, score xx goals, win something?

 

Would anyone want the club to miss out on 10-15 mil to see none of that happen?

Liverpool are gonna qualify for the CL regardless. If we get extra money because of that champion.

I'd prefer Isak plays  shite and hardly plays.

[Sean]

I get the impression he’s one of those players that doesn’t really care for football. It’s just a pay cheque to him.

 

Probably why he’s looked so shit so far for Liverpool - work can feel shit after a long holiday doing sweet fuck all. 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2025 by Sean

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 hours ago, The Fountain said:

Comparing footballers with normal jobs is nuts. Having the security of a wage for the next five years no matter how you perform is the stuff of dreams

Or the public sector 🤷‍♂️ (which isn’t otherwise dreamy at all). 

[robbo_11]

57 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Yeh that’s what I agree with @TheBrownBottle on.  
 

It’s not excusing his behaviour. But it acknowledges the club did not manage the situation perfectly. 
 

A lot of fans have issues with him wanting to leave in the first place I think. I have no issue with Isak wanting to leave, in his situation 90% of people would too. He went about it in an awful manner. 
 

I expect Tonali would heavily consider leaving at the end of this season. He might even push for it. But I don’t expect him to go on strike and refuse to train. He’s got better regard for the club and fans than that. 

 

I think this is the key point as majority of fans expected him to leave in summer 2026. This didn't happen, but the manner it has happened leaves a sour taste - almost a double whammy since majority did not expect him to leave and the way in which he did it seemed out of character.

 

He will come good eventually for Liverpool, but as a club we move on and hopefully learn from this. The game due to financial side of this at the moment is geared to direct the top quality players towards the 'Big 6'. I'm happy with Woltemade.

[madras]

3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I worked of course - at no point have I defended Isak‘s actions.  I wasn’t calling him a cunt as a term of endearment  

I dont think many got wound up about his wanting to leave, many assumed hed be away next summer. It was all down to the manner of it.

[Lucky]

The add ons don’t account for a huge heap. My understanding is that their first offer was 110m straight up, they moved that up to somewhere between 115-120 and the remainder is appearance based and easily triggered. The last 5 million went straight to the player in lieu of the “loyalty bonus”

 

So if he did his ACL or just got dropped for rest of season we’d probably only lose out on 5m-7.5m

[Disco]

What in the name of regens is going on here?

 

[TRon]

21 hours ago, Lucky said:

Also think he’s as thin skinned as a bat’s wing.. the constant spotlight and trolling online after every shit performance will be getting to him. Their egos are so fragile they can’t help but have a quick peep on Twitter or Insta every day.

 

Not only does he not want to work hard, he’d rather hide under a pile of coats than face up to what a massive cunt he revealed himself to be.

 

It’s all karma in progress.

 

He doesn't strike me as being particularly thin-skinned. You need a pretty thick skin to take on your club and all the flak you will get from the supporters in order to make sure the move goes through. 

[Lucky]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

He doesn't strike me as being particularly thin-skinned. You need a pretty thick skin to take on your club and all the flak you will get from the supporters in order to make sure the move goes through. 

Nah, he went hiding. Hid from his teammates. He’s a few allies but not many.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Lucky said:

Nah, he went hiding. Hid from his teammates. He’s a few allies but not many.

 

 

How did he hide from his teammates? 

[Eveready]

Think I mentioned during the saga that the closest you can compare this to regular working people's jobs would be a senior exec leaving and refusing to work their notice.

 

In terms of 'broken promises', contextualising this into a normal company would be a company undergoing significant restructure (no CEO or sporting director in place), with the broken promise coming from one of the departures.  In any normal company, with such a restructure going on, you would understand that any large decisions would be delayed until the restructure is complete.

 

Isak acted like a cunt.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Eveready said:

Think I mentioned during the saga that the closest you can compare this to regular working people's jobs would be a senior exec leaving and refusing to work their notice.

 

Isak acted like a cunt.

It’s not like this… at all.  
 

Football players are not senior execs - not even the captains. They are (extremely well paid) staff. Workers. The talent. Labour. 
 

As the highest performing member of revenue generating staff, Isak agreed with the actual executive management that he would be remunerated at the level of his performance. In the restructure the new management acknowledged he was an elite performer but said the business couldn’t afford to pay Isak what he was worth and worse (to Isak) used the length of contract as a hard form of control to tell him to be quiet and go away.  I don’t think any fan, player or whoever thought Isak wasn’t deserving of a contract befitting his ability at that point - except Mitchell and Eales. 
 

At this point I think it’s entirely fair that Isak resolves to leave the club after another season. The club have essentially said ‘we can’t afford to pay you what you’re worth’. In the real world the worker joins the rival business asap. 
 

And as the primary Labour at the club, players only have 2 forms of power: (1) disharmony, (2) striking. Isak chose both which was too far and a disrespect to the fans and team mates. And the contract culprits were leaving the club - the people that has disrespected him. 

[wong989]

Isak is an absolute rat. He's irrelevant now. If it is the case that he wasn’t at least offered an improved contract when it became clear in the last 24 months he was a top tier striker and also highly coveted, constantly linked in rumours; that would be short sighted and not the business model of a big club. Expecting Isak to accept not just less that what he could earn but not offering a bump would be mental. Possibly Isak/his agent may have said ‘Ivan get better elsewhere, I’ll sign this but I want a(80-100mil) release clause with it. If he wasn’t offered anything it was bound to end this way, if not with Isak with someone else.

[Eveready]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s not like this… at all.  
 

Football players are not senior execs - not even the captains. They are (extremely well paid) staff. Workers. The talent. Labour. 
 

As the highest performing member of revenue generating staff, Isak agreed with the actual executive management that he would be remunerated at the level of his performance. In the restructure the new management acknowledged he was an elite performer but said the business couldn’t afford to pay Isak what he was worth and worse (to Isak) used the length of contract as a hard form of control to tell him to be quiet and go away.  I don’t think any fan, player or whoever thought Isak wasn’t deserving of a contract befitting his ability at that point - except Mitchell and Eales. 
 

At this point I think it’s entirely fair that Isak resolves to leave the club after another season. The club have essentially said ‘we can’t afford to pay you what you’re worth’. In the real world the worker joins the rival business asap. 
 

And as the primary Labour at the club, players only have 2 forms of power: (1) disharmony, (2) striking. Isak chose both which was too far and a disrespect to the fans and team mates. And the contract culprits were leaving the club - the people that has disrespected him. 

You don't consider senior execs employees of a company?  Of course they are.  They are also often the most talented, and in SME's can easily be the most important revenue generating employee.

 

In the real world, they work their notice unless they're a massive cunt.

 

Clearly I was trying to contextualise everything to a regular person's job which isn't exactly apples for apples.

 

If you want to look at it a different cold-harsh reality way, then he was an asset who's contract was 100% owned by NUFC, sat on our balance sheet and my outcome would be even more scathing.

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s not like this… at all.  
 

Football players are not senior execs - not even the captains. They are (extremely well paid) staff. Workers. The talent. Labour. 
 

As the highest performing member of revenue generating staff, Isak agreed with the actual executive management that he would be remunerated at the level of his performance. In the restructure the new management acknowledged he was an elite performer but said the business couldn’t afford to pay Isak what he was worth and worse (to Isak) used the length of contract as a hard form of control to tell him to be quiet and go away.  I don’t think any fan, player or whoever thought Isak wasn’t deserving of a contract befitting his ability at that point - except Mitchell and Eales. 
 

At this point I think it’s entirely fair that Isak resolves to leave the club after another season. The club have essentially said ‘we can’t afford to pay you what you’re worth’. In the real world the worker joins the rival business asap. 
 

And as the primary Labour at the club, players only have 2 forms of power: (1) disharmony, (2) striking. Isak chose both which was too far and a disrespect to the fans and team mates. And the contract culprits were leaving the club - the people that has disrespected him. 

 

 

Something else which we need to mention is that Isak was under contract. If we REALLY wanted to, we could have just refused to sell him. In the end, we took the decision that keeping a player who wanted to be elsewhere was not worth the hassle as long as we could get a fee which compensated us adequately.

 

£130m was not quite as much as we hoped for, but it still allowed us to buy two very decent replacements. We weren't victims in all of this. 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Eveready said:

You don't consider senior execs employees of a company?  Of course they are.  They are also often the most talented, and in SME's can easily be the most important revenue generating employee.

 

In the real world, they work their notice unless they're a massive cunt.

 

Clearly I was trying to contextualise everything to a regular person's job which isn't exactly apples for apples.

 

If you want to look at it a different cold-harsh reality way, then he was an asset who's contract was 100% owned by NUFC, sat on our balance sheet and my outcome would be even more scathing.

No. They are literallynot regular employees. Yasir and Jamie Reuben are Executives of NUFC, Bruno G Is obviously not akin to an Executive. 
 

Football is an easy business to compare to regular businesses.  The footballers are contracted employees. That’s it. It’s that Simple. 
 

Executives don’t go on strike. The labour goes on strike. 
 

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

Something else which we need to mention is that Isak was under contract. If we REALLY wanted to, we could have just refused to sell him. In the end, we took the decision that keeping a player who wanted to be elsewhere was not worth the hassle as long as we could get a fee which compensated us adequately.

 

£130m was not quite as much as we hoped for, but it still allowed us to buy two very decent replacements. We weren't victims in all of this. 

Paul Mitchell over leveraged the power of the contract.  The contract is only valuable if Isak plays to t the best of his abilities. This is why Palmer got a new contract a year after signing a 7-year deal.  He needs to be kept happy to perform at his best. The contracted years isn’t absolute power - especially against your most prized assets. 
 

Going on strike is the workers most powerful leverage against its owners/management.  It’s extreme mind. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

1 hour ago, Eveready said:

Clearly I was trying to contextualise everything to a regular person's job which isn't exactly apples for apples.

 

 Pretty non-contentious stuff. 

[Eveready]

45 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No. They are literallynot regular employees. Yasir and Jamie Reuben are Executives of NUFC, Bruno G Is obviously not akin to an Executive. 
 

Football is an easy business to compare to regular businesses.  The footballers are contracted employees. That’s it. It’s that Simple. 
 

Executives don’t go on strike. The labour goes on strike. 
 

Paul Mitchell over leveraged the power of the contract.  The contract is only valuable if Isak plays to t the best of his abilities. This is why Palmer got a new contract a year after signing a 7-year deal.  He needs to be kept happy to perform at his best. The contracted years isn’t absolute power - especially against your most prized assets. 
 

Going on strike is the workers most powerful leverage against its owners/management.  It’s extreme mind. 

I think you may be getting execs and directors mixed up.

 

Yasir is explicitly the non-executive chairman of NUFC.

 

Executives run the business day to day (C-suite, divisional MDs/FDs).

[bobbydazzla]

We’re like one big organism, one big animal. Yeah? The guys upstairs on the phone – they’re the mouth. The guys down here, the hands.

 

And what part are you Alexander ? Good question. Probably the cunt 

[madras]

59 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No. They are literallynot regular employees. Yasir and Jamie Reuben are Executives of NUFC, Bruno G Is obviously not akin to an Executive. 
 

Football is an easy business to compare to regular businesses.  The footballers are contracted employees. That’s it. It’s that Simple. 
 

Executives don’t go on strike. The labour goes on strike. 
 

Paul Mitchell over leveraged the power of the contract.  The contract is only valuable if Isak plays to t the best of his abilities. This is why Palmer got a new contract a year after signing a 7-year deal.  He needs to be kept happy to perform at his best. The contracted years isn’t absolute power - especially against your most prized assets. 
 

Going on strike is the workers most powerful leverage against its owners/management.  It’s extreme mind. 

Imagine how good Tino and Tonali will be when they get improved contracts ?

 

I think that theory is BS by the way.

 

Edit .... Oh he didn't go on strike either. He refused to play which is more a breach of contract, you don't breach a contract by going on official strike.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2025 by madras

[bobbydazzla]

Palmer got a new contract and then has been shite since he signed on the dotted line

Treat em mean, keep em keen 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Eveready said:

I think you may be getting execs and directors mixed up.

 

Yasir is explicitly the non-executive chairman of NUFC.

 

Executives run the business day to day (C-suite, divisional MDs/FDs).

You are right that Yasir is not an Exec. But Alexander Isak is very obviously not a Senior Exec like you first mentioned. He’s a regular member of the playing staff. Your original analogy is way off and misleading. You have him inordinate power as an Exec which he didn’t have. He used the power any regular worker has - withdrawing his labor. 

 

3 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Palmer got a new contract and then has been shite since he signed on the dotted line

Treat em mean, keep em keen 

You’re making an argument to fit your narrative.