The Prophet Posted Thursday at 22:08 Share Posted Thursday at 22:08 1 minute ago, Stifler said: Not at all. Bayern are owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. The worlds largest sportswear manufacture, and one of Germany’s and the worlds largest banks. Leverkusen are owned by one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Wolfsburg owned by one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. Stuttgart owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, and one of the largest luxury car manufacturers. Sick of the myth that surrounds German football. They have all benefitted by being able to be owned by these companies and having their money trickle down to them to sustain them. What myth? Surely the more fun involvement in football, the better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted Thursday at 22:08 Share Posted Thursday at 22:08 Just now, Stifler said: What do you suggest? The teams who currently finish 25th to 36th all drop into the Europa League instead of going home? Don't think it would make any difference, as those are mostly the teams who would have finished bottom in the old group format. You'd always get 3-4 good sides at least drop in from finishing 3rd, now they play the play-off round in the CL instead and then go home. Like said above, better the devil you know for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted Thursday at 22:09 Share Posted Thursday at 22:09 Man Utd amazingly haven't lost in Europe all season still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted Thursday at 22:09 Share Posted Thursday at 22:09 3 minutes ago, Kaizero said: You weirdos talking like Spurs isn’t the shittest team B/L will have faced in their current EL season Spurs might be shit but they'll get to the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted Thursday at 22:09 Share Posted Thursday at 22:09 19 minutes ago, Fak said: Apparently @RUHRLYASLEEVESUP is the same. DYKWIA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted Thursday at 22:10 Share Posted Thursday at 22:10 4 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: When we were in the UEFA semis under that format we were with Valencia, Villareal, Marseilles (bt Liverpool) Quarters: Celtic (bt Barcelona), Bordeaux, PSV and Inter Seen stronger intertoto cups than this You also had teams who would fall into it early on through fucking up qualifying as well, that doesn't happen anymore as the big leagues are straight in to the groups regardless. CL is bloated and Waffa Cup has been diluted beyond repair I think these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted Thursday at 22:10 Share Posted Thursday at 22:10 They slash away fans arses in Bodo as well don’t they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted Thursday at 22:12 Share Posted Thursday at 22:12 1 minute ago, El Prontonise said: Man Utd amazingly haven't lost in Europe all season still. The 12th man always helps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted Thursday at 22:12 Share Posted Thursday at 22:12 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Stifler said: Not at all. Bayern are owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, the world’s largest sportswear manufacture, and one of Germany’s and the world’s largest banks. Leverkusen are owned by one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Wolfsburg owned by one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. Stuttgart owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, and one of the largest luxury car manufacturers. Sick of the myth that surrounds German football. They have all benefitted by being able to be owned by these companies and having their money trickle down to them to sustain them. Mate, we are owned by Saudi Arabia. Edited Thursday at 22:15 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted Thursday at 22:13 Share Posted Thursday at 22:13 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: What myth? Surely the more fun involvement in football, the better? I’m making a point about how the Germans make out as if their league and teams are free from ownership of global companies, and how they are ‘fan owned’. The reality is they aren’t, they are arguably the most capitalistic clubs in the world, and they wouldn’t be anywhere near as big as they are without such companies owning them, and their fanbases wouldn’t be anywhere near as big without those companies subsidising their ticket prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted Thursday at 22:14 Share Posted Thursday at 22:14 Just now, Pata said: Mate, we are owned by Saudi-Arabia. And? We admit it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofTheFourth Posted Thursday at 22:14 Share Posted Thursday at 22:14 6 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Always thought CL teams dropping into the Europa was a load of bollocks but I've changed my mind, they need to change it back. This tournament is going to become dominated by underperforming but overpowered PL teams winning it just to get the CL cash. One of the biggest losers of the change will be sevilla. I'm sure half of their Europa wins was from them being relegated to europa from the UCL and going on the win it. However the current system does help "poorer" leagues more I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted Thursday at 22:16 Share Posted Thursday at 22:16 9 minutes ago, Stifler said: Not at all. Bayern are owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, the world’s largest sportswear manufacture, and one of Germany’s and the world’s largest banks. Leverkusen are owned by one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Wolfsburg owned by one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. Stuttgart owned by a division of one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, and one of the largest luxury car manufacturers. Sick of the myth that surrounds German football. They have all benefitted by being able to be owned by these companies and having their money trickle down to them to sustain them. Being owned by big companies or individuals means nothing if they don't invest in them. Plenty of examples of this. Might want to ask Valencia fans what they think of Peter Lim etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Thursday at 22:17 Share Posted Thursday at 22:17 1 minute ago, Stifler said: I’m making a point about how the Germans make out as if their league and teams are free from ownership of global companies, and how they are ‘fan owned’. The reality is they aren’t, they are arguably the most capitalistic clubs in the world, and they wouldn’t be anywhere near as big as they are without such companies owning them, and their fanbases wouldn’t be anywhere near as big without those companies subsidising their ticket prices. I'm not sure they do tbh. Even so their clubs are ultimately fan owned, which leads to more favorable fan treatment. I'm not sure how you frame that as a bad thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted Thursday at 22:18 Share Posted Thursday at 22:18 Fair play to both sides. I would do unspeakable things for a Bilbao win. I just visited and bought a jersey so have done my bit, chicos (txikos?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted Thursday at 22:19 Share Posted Thursday at 22:19 15 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Always thought CL teams dropping into the Europa was a load of bollocks but I've changed my mind, they need to change it back. This tournament is going to become dominated by underperforming but overpowered PL teams winning it just to get the CL cash. It made it a much stronger competition. Feels like a slightly better Conference League now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted Thursday at 22:21 Share Posted Thursday at 22:21 18 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Always thought CL teams dropping into the Europa was a load of bollocks but I've changed my mind, they need to change it back. This tournament is going to become dominated by underperforming but overpowered PL teams winning it just to get the CL cash. Fucking English fans thinking the PL is some kind of quality label Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted Thursday at 22:22 Share Posted Thursday at 22:22 That's not what he's saying. He's stating how so much stronger financially they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofTheFourth Posted Thursday at 22:23 Share Posted Thursday at 22:23 Tbh I would love to see Man city in europa next season after spending 100s of millions in the summer. It would make the whole thing look like the unserious joke it has now become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted Thursday at 22:26 Share Posted Thursday at 22:26 1 minute ago, AngelofTheFourth said: Tbh I would love to see Man city in europa next season after spending 100s of millions in the summer. It would make the whole thing look like the unserious joke it has now become. Unserious? Because it’s the most entertaining of the European competitions last time I checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted Thursday at 22:28 Share Posted Thursday at 22:28 The upside of Lyon being shit is Cherki hopefully will pull the classic enfant terrible, and we can get him cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Thursday at 22:29 Share Posted Thursday at 22:29 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Unserious? Because it’s the most entertaining of the European competitions last time I checked. It has been rather unserious this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted Thursday at 22:29 Share Posted Thursday at 22:29 1 minute ago, Sempiternal said: The upside of Lyon being shit is Cherki hopefully will pull the classic enfant terrible, and we can get him cheap. They need to sell to stave of relegation in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted Thursday at 22:29 Share Posted Thursday at 22:29 3 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Fucking English fans thinking the PL is some kind of quality label The sheer financial power means they're stronger and will start winning this competition on the regular even if they're absolutely shite. That's my point and it's shit. It's probably going to be an all English final this year with two teams who are barely above relegation in an ordinary season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted Thursday at 22:30 Share Posted Thursday at 22:30 Just now, Kaizero said: Unserious? Because it’s the most entertaining of the European competitions last time I checked. In the same way the ZDS cup was more entertaining than the FA Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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