leffe186 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: It usually goes off who had the best world cup. Cannavaro Wouldn’t have won it without the World Cup. Modric in 2018, too. A year Messi should have won. Someone somewhere contrasted it with 2010 when Messi scored a shit-ton of goals but didn’t have the best World Cup. And won the Ballon D’or. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Someone somewhere contrasted it with 2010 when Messi scored a shit-ton of goals but didn’t have the best World Cup. And won the Ballon D’or. The problem with 2010 is that Xavi and Iniesta split votes If only one was in contention then they'd have probably won it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Bournemouth owner buying a stake in Hibs to make them the "undisputed number 3" club in Scotland. Twats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Bournemouth owner buying a stake in Hibs to make them the "undisputed number 3" club in Scotland. Twats. He'll need Gary O'Neil for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rafalove said: It usually goes off who had the best world cup. Cannavaro Wouldn’t have won it without the World Cup. Modric in 2018, too. A year Messi should have won. Alvarez scored more goals from open play than Messi in the World Cup, and he won the treble aswell. So if trophies matter more than everything, he should've won it. 4 of Messis 7 goals were penalties, and clearly Mbappe was the better player in that WC. Ballon D'or is more focused on feelings rather than facts. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 17 hours ago, gbandit said: Can’t be fucked with discussions about Messi and him winning. If you look at his stats last season they were exceptional still, I watched him play loads and he was outstanding for PSG and of course Argentina. He was still just about the best footballer in the world last season with only Mbappe pushing him close. Haaland had a remarkable season and his goalscoring form does count for a lot but he underperformed in all finals and didn’t contribute much other than goals. Anyway, it’s a waste of everyone’s time He was outstanding against shit teams in the league, and ghosted in the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Geogaddi said: Man City would have won the league and fa cup without Haaland , Maybe not the champions league but I don’t think they necessarily won it because of him . Messi pretty much single handedly carried Argentina to winning the World Cup and without him they probably wouldn’t have even got out the group. I really don’t understand why people are complaining about Messi winning it. Peak Barcelona could've won a lot of things without Messi aswell. Doesn't mean that he was not worthy of those Ballon D'ors back then. That's not a good argument for judging who's the best player. That Argentina team was pretty good in general btw, the have some good players. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Erikse said: Peak Barcelona could've won a lot of thing without Messi aswell. Doesn't mean that he was not worthy of those Ballon D'ors back then. As good as that Barcelona team was it was still Messi who elevated them to another level . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: As good as that Barcelona team was it was still Messi who elevated them to another level . And Man City won their first ever Champions League, while also winning FA and Premier League right after they signed Haaland. Don't think you can disregard Haalands impact, the thing is that he makes space for the other players to shine as the opponents has to put defenders on him all the time. It's easy to just assume that they would've won everything without him anyways, but it's not as simple as that. Man City has been this dominant for years but never won CL. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Sentiment or not, Messi was terrific in the World Cup. It’s weird how quickly history starts being rewritten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Erikse said: Alvarez scored more goals from open play than Messi in the World Cup, and he won the treble aswell. So if trophies matter more than everything, he should've won it. 4 of Messis 7 goals were penalties, and clearly Mbappe was the better player in that WC. Ballon D'or is more focused on feelings rather than facts. Messi was by miles the best player in the world cup, insane to think Mbappe was better. Alvarez didn't even start the CL Final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, triggs said: Messi was by miles the best player in the world cup, insane to think Mbappe was better. Alvarez didn't even start the CL Final If Martinez doesn't make that incredible save at 121 min, Mbappe would be the player of the tournament after his hat trick in the final would've won it for them. That would probably also see him win the Ballon D'or. Scoring 8 in a world cup (and a final hat trick) is insane, and 6 of his goals were non-penalty compared to Messis 3. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 hours ago, The Prophet said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Erikse said: Alvarez scored more goals from open play than Messi in the World Cup, and he won the treble aswell. So if trophies matter more than everything, he should've won it. 4 of Messis 7 goals were penalties, and clearly Mbappe was the better player in that WC. Ballon D'or is more focused on feelings rather than facts. If you think Mbappe had a better World Cup than Messi (I'm talking just performances here, not who won) then you either didn't watch it or are clueless about football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Erikse said: If Martinez doesn't make that incredible save at 121 min, Mbappe would be the player of the tournament after his hat trick in the final would've won it for them. That would probably also see him win the Ballon D'or. Scoring 8 in a world cup (and a final hat trick) is insane, and 6 of his goals were non-penalty compared to Messis 3. Mbappe did nothing in the semi, very little in the quarter and nothing until the 80th minute in the final. Messi was Motm in basically every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Also bringing up non penalty goals is completely ignoring 2 of the best assists of all time by Messi against Netherlands and Croatia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Why did they invite IShowSpeed to the ceremony man? Just watched a clip of him barking after they announced Messi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, triggs said: Mbappe did nothing in the semi, very little in the quarter and nothing until the 80th minute in the final. Messi was Motm in basically every game. Not that it matters all that much, but according to whoscored (which actually gives ratings based on objective measures), they got the same average rating throughout the world cup. Messi was man of the match twice (vs Mexico and Australia), while Mbappe was MotM 3 times (vs Denmark, Poland and Argentina in the final). Messi was Agrentinas best player overall, but saying that Messi singlehandedly won them the World Cup is disrespectful to the Argentinian team. They had a lot of good players who performed well. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Of course no one player can single-handedly win an 11-a-side tournament. However, Messi is the reason they won. His assist when he bounced Gvardiol, his goals to win games and the amount of assists he put on a plate for Lautaro only for him to miss were astonishing. It’s a pointless debate, Mbappe was amazing in the tournament too. They were both leagues above everyone else. The troll social media nonsense about it being rigged is just exhausting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) I can agree that saying that Mbappe was clearly the best player in the tournament might have been an overstatement, but saying that "anyone who thinks Mbappe had a better World Cup is clueless" is equally as much of an overstatement. I can guarantee you that you would also be able to find people out there who knows 10 times much as you about football who would say that Mbappe performed better, just like there would be highly knowledgeable people who would say that Messi was better. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Erikse said: Not that it matters all that much, but according to whoscored (which actually gives ratings based on objective measures), they got the same average rating throughout the world cup. Messi was man of the match twice (vs Mexico and Australia), while Mbappe was MotM 3 times (vs Denmark, Poland and Argentina in the final). Messi was Agrentinas best player overall, but saying that Messi singlehandedly won them the World Cup is disrespectful to the Argentinian team. They had a lot of good players who performed well. Messi got 5 official MOTM awards, which is a record for a single tournament Also, just checked whoscored and they had Messi at 8.25 with Mbappe at 8.0, so Messi's rating was higher by a decent margin Which makes sense because he clearly had a better World Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Fans who are like a massive Messi or Ronaldo fan first and foremost, above any club or national team, are so fucking weird and creepy. They're more like F1 or tennis fans where you get into this cult of personality. And it's not good enough to just have some massive man-crush on Messi you have to disparage Ronaldo as well and go to war with Ronaldophiles in the comments of everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Messi got 5 official MOTM awards, which is a record for a single tournament Also, just checked whoscored and they had Messi at 8.25 with Mbappe at 8.0, so Messi's rating was higher by a decent margin Which makes sense because he clearly had a better World Cup According to votes done by anyone. Messi is a very popular guy, no wonder he gets a lot of votes when he plays well. If Alvarez plays slightly better than him, Messi will get more votes. I got the ratings wrong, I had the setting on "weekly" which only showed the final rating. It's true that Messi had a better overall rating on that site. Edited November 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Erikse said: According to votes done by anyone. Messi is a very popular guy, no wonder he gets a lot of votes when he plays well. If Alvarez plays slightly better than him, Messi will get more votes. I got the ratings wrong, I had the setting on "weekly" which only showed the final rating. That's fair the MOTM does have subjectivity built into it Like you said the average rating is more objective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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