Still not worthy of a thread

[madras]

Just now, Stifler said:

This. It’s just overboard now, any occasion and alcohol has to be the centre of it.

I'll drink to that !

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Erikse said:

How hard is it to not drink alchohol? Sometimes I see talk about alchohol as if it's a human right, and it's somehow disgusting to deny it. There are more important things in life than having the freedom of being able to get drunk.

 

You could say the same thing about a whole host of other things that you're not personally interested in and find more important. At the end of the day it comes down to where you draw a line on liberty. 

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

You could say the same thing about a whole host of other things that you're not personally interested in and find more important. At the end of the day it comes down to where you draw a line on liberty. 

 

There are a bunch of other types of substances that you can't legally consume in english stadiums. Alchohol is one of the worst substances you can possibly find for starting fights and violence (probably even the worst out of the mainstream drugs). Yet it's not like people are seeing all those other substances being banned as a problem, and subsequently complain about lack of freedom.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Erikse

[The Butcher]

The absolute GOAT WUM.

[Sima]

 

 

He’s class, man.

[Stifler]

4 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

You could say the same thing about a whole host of other things that you're not personally interested in and find more important. At the end of the day it comes down to where you draw a line on liberty. 

The points made isn’t about liberty though. It’s all about how we live in a society where not drinking is frowned upon.

My fiancée has had issues with alcohol in the past, so now she avoids it. Without actually fucking telling people about it, everyone pressures her to drink.

Go to my dads where I have said she’s had issues without saying what they were, and they always offer her alcohol, even behind my back thinking it’s me disapproving of it because I’m not a drinker.

Go to her foster mams who is incredibly left wing, has fostered children, dealt with mental health issues and fought for mental health issue related rights/help/access, and she’s always offering her drink and trying to get her drink. Go with her bosses at work who run a children’s mental health charity, and they are offering her drink.

Without explicitly going into details of her issues, and just saying she has an issue with it and is avoiding alcohol, everyone still pressures. Go for a meal, go visit someone, it’s always about alcohol.

We are going to the Christmas market tomorrow, and half the stalls will be selling craft beer, others will be selling Prosecco, and others mulled wine or Baileys.

 

Name an activity people can do casually where alcohol isn’t a major part of it.

Aside from McDonalds, anywhere you sit down to have a meal there is alcohol on the go. Go to football and people want you to go for pre-drinks, have a drink when you get in the stadium, and at half time, then have drinks afterwards.

Coffee shops are closed after work hours, and those that aren’t are selling alcohol now.

It’s everywhere, and unless you don’t drink, then you don’t understand how much it is the focus of any kind of social culture we have.

I don’t have an issue with alcohol, I’m just not a drinker, I don’t enjoy large amounts of it, and I can take it or leave it. Seeing how it affects my lass means we have to avoid it, and it turns you into a social pariah. Fuck knows how people who have had bigger issues with alcohol function.

 

Honestly it’s about time someone turned around and said ‘Hold on, this is out of hand now’. The very fact people are getting pissed about not being able to drink at a World Cup in 10 years time is telling.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Stifler

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Stifler said:

I don’t understand why people expected any different.

It’s not part of their culture, and against their laws. It’s a bit like the people who go to Dubai and get arrested for being drunk and disorderly, or for being half naked sunbathing.

 

This is what it comes down to for most people though. All the talk about human rights abuses, and such. It’s only an issue because they own us and the clubs other fans support have a challenger, and the issue for fans attending the World Cup is that they can’t get fucked on Carling.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we have an article of someone going to the World Cup, and being stoped in customs trying to bring Coke in, and facing the death penalty.

Worth remembering that the alcohol ban in KSA isn’t for cultural / religious reasons …

[madras]

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Worth remembering that the alcohol ban in KSA isn’t for cultural / religious reasons …

Really ? I'd assumed it was. Every days a school day, tell me more.

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

There are a bunch of other types of substances that you can't legally consume in english stadiums. Alchohol is one of the worst substances you can possibly find for starting fights and violence (probably even the worst out of the mainstream drugs). Yet it's not like people are seeing all those other substances being banned as a problem, and subsequently complain about lack of freedom.

I would very much beg to differ, but it's for another thread really.

[Kid Icarus]

58 minutes ago, Stifler said:

The points made isn’t about liberty though. It’s all about how we live in a society where not drinking is frowned upon.

My fiancée has had issues with alcohol in the past, so now she avoids it. Without actually fucking telling people about it, everyone pressures her to drink.

Go to my dads where I have said she’s had issues without saying what they were, and they always offer her alcohol, even behind my back thinking it’s me disapproving of it because I’m not a drinker.

Go to her foster mams who is incredibly left win, has fostered children, dealt with mental health issues and fought for mental health issue related rights/help/access, and she’s always offering her drink and trying to get her drink. Go with her bosses at work who run a children’s mental health charity, and they are offering her drink.

Without explicitly going into details of her issues, and just saying she has an issue with it and is avoiding alcohol, everyone still pressures. Go for a meal, go visit someone, it’s always about alcohol.

We are going to the Christmas market tomorrow, and half the stalls will be selling craft beer, others will be selling Prosecco, and others mulled wine or Baileys.

 

Name an activity people can do casually where alcohol isn’t a major part of it.

Aside from McDonalds, anywhere you sit down to have a meal there is alcohol on the go. Go to football and people want you to go for pre-drinks, have a drink when you get in the stadium, and at half time, then have drinks afterwards.

Coffee shops are closed after work hours, and those that aren’t are selling alcohol now.

It’s everywhere, and unless you don’t drink, then you don’t understand how much it is the focus of any kind of social culture we have.

I don’t have an issue with alcohol, I’m just not a drinker, I don’t enjoy large amounts of it, and I can take it or leave it. Seeing how it affects my lass means we have to avoid it, and it turns you into a social pariah. Fuck knows how people who have had bigger issue with alcohol function.

 

Honestly it’s about time someone turned around and said ‘Hold on, this is out of hand now’. The very fact people are getting pissed about not being able to drink at a World Cup in 10 years time is telling.

 

It is about liberty. All of what you've said obviously has merit on an individual basis and I'm sure rings true with a lot of other people too, but it also shouldn't mean that everyone's relationship with something has to change to the extent that they have their liberty completely denied. The vast majority of people who drink and enjoy drinking don't have a problem with it, and those that do (or don't) aren't going to change by being denied it. Just look at what happened during prohibition, or our current relationship with illegal drugs. 

[bobbydazzla]

They award the World Cup to a country where peeve is banned. Cogito ergo sum, no peeve at the World Cup

 

What were people expecting ? A Frosty Jacks Fan Zone in downtown Riyhad ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Stifler]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It is about liberty. All of what you've said obviously has merit on an individual basis and I'm sure rings true with a lot of other people too, but it also shouldn't mean that everyone's relationship with something has to change to the extent that they have their liberty completely denied. The vast majority of people who drink and enjoy drinking don't have a problem with it, and those that do (or don't) aren't going to change by being denied it. Just look at what happened during prohibition, or our current relationship with illegal drugs. 

They absolutely do though, it’s called being a fully functioning alcoholic.

 

I’m not saying that it should be banned though, I’m saying our relationship with it, particularly in the U.K. should be looked at. Hosting a World Cup in a nation that doesn’t allow alcohol shouldn't be the controversy it’s being made out to be. 

[Erikse]

35 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I would very much beg to differ, but it's for another thread really.

 

I'm talking about it being banned in stadiums specifically, not the general ban. Alchohol is banned in Saudi, so they ban it in stadiums aswell. The illegal drugs are banned in the UK, so therefore they ban it in stadiums. Generally I'm not seeing many complaints about illegal drugs being banned in english stadiums.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Erikse

[La Parka]

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I'm talking about it being banned in stadiums specifically, not the general ban. Alchohol is banned in Saudi, so they ban it in stadiums aswell. The illegal drugs are banned in the UK, so therefore they ban it in stadiums. Generally I'm not seeing many complaints about illegal drugs being banned in english stadiums.

 

That doesn't really correlate, the complaint isn't specifically about drinking in stadiums (you can't drink in stadiums in the UK either despite drinking being legal) The complaint is about not being able to drink at all. 

[Kid Icarus]

21 minutes ago, Stifler said:

They absolutely do though, it’s called being a fully functioning alcoholic.

 

I’m not saying that it should be banned though, I’m saying our relationship with it, particularly in the U.K. should be looked at. Hosting a World Cup in a nation that doesn’t allow alcohol shouldn't be the controversy it’s being made out to be. 

 

The choices aren't alcoholic or fully functioning alcoholic though. Not everyone who drinks has a problem.

 

You have to remember as well Stifler, it's not 'us' who are the odd ones out here. While we absolutely have societal issues with alcohol, world-wide Saudi are in the minority as far as drinking culture is concerned and I wouldn't necessarily say it's moved the needle for them in terms of any kind of progressive ambitions...

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Erikse]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

That doesn't really correlate, the complaint isn't specifically about drinking in stadiums (you can't drink in stadiums in the UK either despite drinking being legal) The complaint is about not being able to drink at all. 

 

Didn't actually catch that. You're right then, there are complaints about drugs being banned in general. Anyways, as someone who used to party every week and still do every now and then, I personally don't understand the controversy still. You could allways choose to not go if alchohol is a must.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, madras said:

Really ? I'd assumed it was. Every days a school day, tell me more.

It was banned when a pissed-up son of King Abdulaziz shot dead a British diplomat in the ‘50s.  The king banned it to prevent a similar ‘embarrassing’ incident occurring again - and the House of Saud don’t blink at applying those rules to everyone.  

[Stifler]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The choices aren't alcoholic or fully functioning alcoholic though. Not everyone who drinks has a problem.

 

You have to remember as well Stifler, it's not 'us' who are the odd ones out here. While we absolutely have societal issues with alcohol, world-wide Saudi are in the minority as far as drinking culture is concerned and I wouldn't necessarily say it's moved the needle for them in terms of any kind of progressive ambitions...

If you are being told that in 10 years time, a month long event hosted half way around the world won’t have alcohol being served, and you think that’s a problem, then I’d say alcohol has some sort of hold over your life.

 

Again though, I’m not advocating for a complete ban on alcohol in the U.K., all I’m saying is that we need to start looking at it and see how alcohol centric everything is.

 

Even by western nations we are bad.

In the majority of Canada, you can’t buy alcohol to take home without going to a government ran store, which has much tighter opening times than off licenses here in the majority of the U.K.

Thats a country that has legalised marijuana in recent years.

 

In the USA you can’t buy alcohol until you are 21, 3 years after you can vote, join the military, and buy a gun.

In many parts you can’t go into a supermarket and buy alcohol.

 

Australia has a coffee/café culture similar to our pub drinking culture.

Alcohol consumption is on the decrease, and win has overtaken both beer, and spirits as the most consumed alcohol.

Like Canada, you usually have to go to a government ran off licence to buy your alcohol if you want to take it home with you. 

[TheBrownBottle]

21 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

That doesn't really correlate, the complaint isn't specifically about drinking in stadiums (you can't drink in stadiums in the UK either despite drinking being legal) The complaint is about not being able to drink at all. 

I agree with all the points you’ve made, just to be pedantic though you can drink inside of stadiums just not within ‘sight of the pitch’.  I’m being pedantic as it always was a fucking bizarre idea that alcohol is absolutely fine unless mixed with the sight of green grass. 

[Erikse]

2 hours ago, Stifler said:

The points made isn’t about liberty though. It’s all about how we live in a society where not drinking is frowned upon.

My fiancée has had issues with alcohol in the past, so now she avoids it. Without actually fucking telling people about it, everyone pressures her to drink.

Go to my dads where I have said she’s had issues without saying what they were, and they always offer her alcohol, even behind my back thinking it’s me disapproving of it because I’m not a drinker.

Go to her foster mams who is incredibly left win, has fostered children, dealt with mental health issues and fought for mental health issue related rights/help/access, and she’s always offering her drink and trying to get her drink. Go with her bosses at work who run a children’s mental health charity, and they are offering her drink.

Without explicitly going into details of her issues, and just saying she has an issue with it and is avoiding alcohol, everyone still pressures. Go for a meal, go visit someone, it’s always about alcohol.

We are going to the Christmas market tomorrow, and half the stalls will be selling craft beer, others will be selling Prosecco, and others mulled wine or Baileys.

 

Name an activity people can do casually where alcohol isn’t a major part of it.

Aside from McDonalds, anywhere you sit down to have a meal there is alcohol on the go. Go to football and people want you to go for pre-drinks, have a drink when you get in the stadium, and at half time, then have drinks afterwards.

Coffee shops are closed after work hours, and those that aren’t are selling alcohol now.

It’s everywhere, and unless you don’t drink, then you don’t understand how much it is the focus of any kind of social culture we have.

I don’t have an issue with alcohol, I’m just not a drinker, I don’t enjoy large amounts of it, and I can take it or leave it. Seeing how it affects my lass means we have to avoid it, and it turns you into a social pariah. Fuck knows how people who have had bigger issue with alcohol function.

 

Honestly it’s about time someone turned around and said ‘Hold on, this is out of hand now’. The very fact people are getting pissed about not being able to drink at a World Cup in 10 years time is telling.

 

I have the same experience, however this is in Norway. Many people my age doesn't have much to do on saturdays if they don't like alchohol, because most if not all of their friends are out getting very drunk. In holidays it's the same, your friends would just get drunk more often. If you try to go sober, they will pressure you. There are very few social gatherings which doesn't involve alchohol, because people seem to think that it would be boring.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[Erikse]

Bit off topic, but in Norway there's this thing called "russ". When you are in the final year of school at 18, you're basically expected to constanly party for an entire year. Even being assigned a bunch of quests you can do like drinking at school, and drink a certain high amount of drinks at once etc. Only a few chooses to not be a part of it, because if you don't participate you'll be an outsider and most people will probably not hang out with you at all anymore. You'll miss out on all the social gatherings, unless you go sober, which isn't a great experience either.

 

In the general though, I think consumption is higher in the UK, because most people rarely drink midweek here apart from the year when you are "russ".

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[madras]

23 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree with all the points you’ve made, just to be pedantic though you can drink inside of stadiums just not within ‘sight of the pitch’.  I’m being pedantic as it always was a fucking bizarre idea that alcohol is absolutely fine unless mixed with the sight of green grass. 

I think it was more that people wouldn't drink throughout the game like they would if they could drink at their seat.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, madras said:

I think it was more that people wouldn't drink throughout the game like they would if they could drink at their seat.

You’re right of course  - it was post-Hillsborough and brought in via the lie that it was caused by pissed-up Liverpool fans.  It’s a daft rule which is applied to no other sport. 

[JB]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

Bit off topic, but in Norway there's this thing called "russ". When you are in the final year of school at 18, you're basically expected to constanly party for an entire year.

 

Presumably named after the party animal himself?