Mazzy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 It's nice to see we're a couple of points ahead of where we were last season, that's promising considering how many games we've lost already. Problem is we'll need to go more than just a couple of points better to get anywhere near top 4. With Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Brighton, West Ham all doing considerablely better than last year I can't see any scenario where 71pts gets 4th spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 To get Top4 will be huge ask this season. But we are not doing too badly. Sadly Spurs and Liverpool are doing much better this season. ManU on the other is not as good. Top6 would be great. I think we just need to turn the draws from last year to wins. Lost points to Palace, Bournemouthx2, Leedsx2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) I'd be very happy with top 6 and qualifying from the CL group and have a decent cup run. Would love a CL place like, but it's still early days and our first season with the proper big boys. To me it wouldn't be a step back despite potentially missing out on CL. Have to consider the extra amount of games and lack of experience with CL and so many games. Plus our squad isn't quite there yet when it comes to quality in depth. 5th or 6th would still be a great season. 7th would be ok/par imo. Edited October 9, 2023 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Mazzy said: It's nice to see we're a couple of points ahead of where we were last season, that's promising considering how many games we've lost already. Problem is we'll need to go more than just a couple of points better to get anywhere near top 4. With Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Brighton, West Ham all doing considerablely better than last year I can't see any scenario where 71pts gets 4th spot. Have to remember though if all those teams continue to do better then some of the points they get will have to come from the teams at the top - it might mean that less points will be enough if all of the top 8/9 are taking points off each other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lish007 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Spurs had the easiest start to the season. Earned a point against Arsenal - fair. Beat Man u and "beat" Liverpool. Id argue that the hardest teams to play this year will be Liverpool, Arsenal, Brighton and Man City. So they've played two out of the 3 and got a huge slice of luck against Liverpool. We've played 3 of those plus more of the current top 7. I think Spurs have been riding their luck a bit too much recently and will fall away. They started very strongly last year too, I'm not convinced they'll be there at the end of the season. Happy with our start, think we will be top 6 or there abouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Mazzy said: It's nice to see we're a couple of points ahead of where we were last season, that's promising considering how many games we've lost already. Problem is we'll need to go more than just a couple of points better to get anywhere near top 4. With Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Brighton, West Ham all doing considerablely better than last year I can't see any scenario where 71pts gets 4th spot. We can actually afford to lose a couple more games this season as long as we turn some of the draws into wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Surely the amount of points required is fairly consistent, 5 teams can’t all do much better than last year without sharing the points around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Surely the amount of points required is fairly consistent, 5 teams can’t all do much better than last year without sharing the points around. Aye. But a reasonably small swing can change things decisively. We got 6 points against Spurs last season. Despite how bad they were, if those 2 results swing, they finish 1 point above us. Our biggest issue is that we are in the most demanding European competition and our rivals are not. Spurs & Liverpool in particular not playing in CL/Europe is worth at least 4-6 points. I've always thought we would do well to get within 4-6 points of last season and make it out of the CL group or go deep in Europa. Edited October 9, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Surely the amount of points required is fairly consistent, 5 teams can’t all do much better than last year without sharing the points around. Exactly. That point was made all the time last season, but we were a top 4 team by every metric last season regardless of what other teams were doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Mazzy said: It's nice to see we're a couple of points ahead of where we were last season, that's promising considering how many games we've lost already. Problem is we'll need to go more than just a couple of points better to get anywhere near top 4. With Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Brighton, West Ham all doing considerablely better than last year I can't see any scenario where 71pts gets 4th spot. It's a bit of a stretch to assume all of those teams will continue to do that well - especially Villa and West Ham. Are Brighton even doing that much better than last year as well? It also ignores the fact that Man U are looking worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) On 18/01/2023 at 11:32, Kid Icarus said: The more you look into the stats, the more unbelievable it is like. Our rolling 38 game total is 76 points. That's with a team that regularly starts with 6 of the Rentford Rejects that were available under Bruce (Schar, Longstaff, Willock, Joelinton, Almiron, Wilson) and who Howe has turned, to a man, into high performing top-end Premier League players in one way or another. The 95/96 team, Keegan's dream team (minus Shearer) that included Beardsley, Ginola, Ferdinand, Lee, Batty, Asprilla, Albert, Beresford - a team of superstars that multiple generations of Newcastle fans have in their all-time XIs - the high watermark where the crest of the wave broke? +2 points +2 GD Rolling 38 games Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts 4 Newcastle United 38 22 10 6 58 31 +27 76 95/96 Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts 2 Newcastle United 38 24 6 8 66 37 +29 78 This is our rolling 38 game total at the moment -5 points -3 wins +4 draws -1 losses +10 goals - 3 goals against +13 goal difference On our best ever season and best ever team's total. Still regularly featuring 6 or 7 Bruce-era players in its starting line up. We've been a consistently 3rd or 4th place team more or less from the moment Howe got to grips with the squad. Remarkable. Edited October 9, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Was just thinking earlier about the Champions League season Leicester had and wondered how they started the season after winning the league. It wasn't until the end of November that they got the points total we have right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: This is our rolling 38 game total at the moment -5 points -3 wins +4 draws -1 losses +10 goals - 3 goals against +13 goal difference On our best ever season and best ever team's total. Still regularly featuring 6 or 7 Bruce-era players in its starting line up. We've been a consistently 3rd or 4th place team more or less from the moment Howe got to grips with the squad. Remarkable. Where does that put us in the league ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Where does that put us in the league ? Fourth behind Man City, Arsenal & Liverpool (behind Liverpool by 1 point). One point above Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Where does that put us in the league ? I can't display it because it's done by date rather than gameweek, so some teams are on anything between 36 to 40 games. But it has us 4th, 1 point ahead of Man United, 1 point behind Liverpool, 10 points behind Arsenal, 13 points behind Man City. Every time I check this we're nearly always 3rd or 4th. At one point our rolling total dropped to 66 (that run up to the EFL final form we had) and we were in 5th, but we've been 3rd or 4th best for the majority of the time Howe's been here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 12 hours ago, Mazzy said: It's nice to see we're a couple of points ahead of where we were last season, that's promising considering how many games we've lost already. Problem is we'll need to go more than just a couple of points better to get anywhere near top 4. With Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Brighton, West Ham all doing considerablely better than last year I can't see any scenario where 71pts gets 4th spot. It would be an absolute rarity if it is. 70+ is a monumental effort, can't see Brighton or West Ham getting such a total. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Cheers lads. I'm particularly interested in how AV and Brighton have fared. Although I'm not sure if their managers have been their a full year yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Great stuff KI, but is he elite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Villa are in 6th on 69 points Brighton are in 7th on 64 Spurs in 8th on 63 Ours (aside from that bad run of form last winter) tends to fluxuate between 70 and 76 points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Basically just play around with this and see what everyone's on at 38 games. https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/daterange/fromdate:2022-Oct-09/todate:2024-Jun-01/type:home-and-away/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 39 minutes ago, LFEE said: https://x.com/domscurr/status/1711101754178179085?s=46&t=DDNXUN2PoOBhgKmoF77zNw What an utterly pointless graphic. Dom must be bored already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: What an utterly pointless graphic. Dom must be bored already. 12-13 days until restart ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, LFEE said: 12-13 days until restart ? The Athletic will be firing out graphics all over the show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 It does go to show that we've dropped 5 points late in games this season. I don't remember that happening much last season (in either direction apart from Forest away). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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