Guest Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Having the crucial head-to-heads at home (Man U, Spurs and Brighton) will be a factor. I think if we win 2 of those we'll do it. Edited March 16, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Shak said: Spurs implosion We're 4 points off them with two games in hand and they have to come to SJP. Getting 4th is going to be hard but it's very clearly still in play and I think we'll give it a good go. Isak is the key for me, if he plays like he did last Sunday for the rest of the season I think we'll do it. Agree with this, Isak will be the difference between 4th and 6th for us. He’s a match winner; exactly what we need right now. Saw it posted elsewhere and it fits perfectly ‘commeth the hour, commeth the man’. It’s gonna be an exciting end to the season. Edited March 16, 2023 by BoSelecta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Final thoughts on Brighton is that if it's not us I hope it's them. They're a superbly well ran football club. I just the likes of Spurs will have a bit too much consistency for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Final thoughts on Brighton is that if it's not us I hope it's them. They're a superbly well ran football club. I just the likes of Spurs will have a bit too much consistency for them. Absolutely, I've got all the time in the world for Brighton. I find them extremely likeable and I'm so pleased for them (and the league, tbh) that they haven't crumbled post-Potter; it would have been so depressing all round given how shit it's gone for him at Chelsea. I think so low of Potter now, like. So grim he went to that disgusting club instead of continuing to carry Brighton on that brilliant trajectory. If they finish 4th and we finish 5th then it's been a class season for the league. My aversion to the Champions League definitely aids this position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, STM said: We've got owners who are killing it on and off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Absolutely, I've got all the time in the world for Brighton. I find them extremely likeable and I'm so pleased for them (and the league, tbh) that they haven't crumbled post-Potter; it would have been so depressing all round given how shit it's gone for him at Chelsea. I think so low of Potter now, like. So grim he went to that disgusting club instead of continuing to carry Brighton on that brilliant trajectory. If they finish 4th and we finish 5th then it's been a class season for the league. My aversion to the Champions League definitely aids this position. I like Brighton too. Our home game with them is very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I for one would be honored for Brighton to make Champions League football over my own club, Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kanji said: I for one would be honored for Brighton to make Champions League football over my own club, Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I know Kanji's just being a scamp but for the record I'm not saying that; of course I want us to finish as high as possible, notwithstanding any disdain for future competitions we would enter as a result. Just anything that disrupts the so-called 'big six' is, imo, a great thing, and if we were to miss out on 4th, I'd feel better - as a football fan - if it were Brighton as opposed to Liverpool or, God forbid, Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I know Kanji's just being a scamp but for the record I'm not saying that; of course I want us to finish as high as possible, notwithstanding any disdain for future competitions we would enter as a result. Just anything that disrupts the so-called 'big six' is, imo, a great thing, and if we were to miss out on 4th, I'd feel better - as a football fan - if it were Brighton as opposed to Liverpool or, God forbid, Chelsea. I agree with Kanji tbh, it would be even more deflating if the Big Six's domination was broken by a club like Brighton. It would only emphasise that we had this in our grasp and blew it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I think Brighton getting fourth would be more damaging to our long-term prospects than any of the usual suspects, tbh, not least because we might well be in for a Brighton player or two this summer if we can achieve a top four finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Agree with the point that it would represent an opportunity missed this season, but I wouldn't necessarily see it as having any material impact on our long-term prospects. Champions League was always an unlikely bonus this season. It's a moot point anyway cos Brighton aren't gonna finish fourth. Ultimately my perspectives have changed over the years. Of course I'm NUFC well above anything else but tbh I can get on board with pretty much anything which upsets the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: Agree with the point that it would represent an opportunity missed this season, but I wouldn't necessarily see it as having any material impact on our long-term prospects. Champions League was always an unlikely bonus this season. It might not have any material impact, but psychologically it would detract from our achievements this season. Instead of people admiring how much progress we'd made, there'd be more comments along the lines of, well they let Brighton overtake them after being in a CL position for a good stretch of the season. I think the players want to be looking up at big six rivals, not down at smaller clubs still achieving more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Prophet Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, TRon said: It might not have any material impact, but psychologically it would detract from our achievements this season. Instead of people admiring how much progress we'd made, there'd be more comments along the lines of, well they let Brighton overtake them after being in a CL position for a good stretch of the season. I think the players want to be looking up at big six rivals, not down at smaller clubs still achieving more. At the beginning of the season, the aim of many was to break into the pack of teams below the traditional "big six", including Brighton. Even under Potter they were a very well coached outfit and were seen as a superior squad prior to a ball bring kicked, they have a few players that would walk into our side. The whole "we can't finish below Brighton" just sounds like pure arrogance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, The Prophet said: At the beginning of the season, the aim of many was to break into the pack of teams below the traditional "big six", including Brighton. Even under Potter they were a very well coached outfit and were seen as a superior squad prior to a ball bring kicked, they have a few players that would walk into our side. The whole "we can't finish below Brighton" just sounds like pure arrogance. My expectations at best were to finish 7th and I would have been delighted by that. But that was because I assumed we couldn't finish above the big six ( and in reality probably still won't) but considering Brighton have lost a couple of key players, and their manager, I would be disappointed if they still manage to overhaul us. Not massively, because you are right, they did have a head start, but still I would be disappointed. Just a tad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: At the beginning of the season, the aim of many was to break into the pack of teams below the traditional "big six", including Brighton. Even under Potter they were a very well coached outfit and were seen as a superior squad prior to a ball bring kicked, they have a few players that would walk into our side. The whole "we can't finish below Brighton" just sounds like pure arrogance. This not true. We were talking about top 6 + West Ham to finish 8th. Few people discussed being content with finishing below Brighton. Their summer window didn't have any renowned names either. They lost more hyped names than they signed. They've just been brilliant in the boardroom and it's shown in the market and coach decisions. Their whole development is well-ahead of course. And we haven't factored that. But it can still be slightly disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Wasn't the general consensus that the next step was to be in that pack of West, Ham, Wolves and Brighton? Granted two have massively underperformed this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Missing out to Spurs or Liverpool wouldn't bother me because they're still on paper far better than us imo. If we missed out to Brighton though, I'd see that as a big opportunity missed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Missing out to Spurs or Liverpool wouldn't bother me because they're still on paper far better than us imo. If we missed out to Brighton though, I'd see that as a big opportunity missed. This. Because Spurs, Liverpool and the other big hitters have massively superior squads, built over a long period with substantial investment which we couldn't touch. Brighton have just been very well managed, and in fact probably had less resources than us, but have over-performed massively. They should be far easier to overhaul considering they have had to sell players and lost their manager this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Liverpool or Brighton I can handle. Anyone missing out to Spurs and it's a travesty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, The College Dropout said: This not true. We were talking about top 6 + West Ham to finish 8th. Few people discussed being content with finishing below Brighton. Their summer window didn't have any renowned names either. They lost more hyped names than they signed. They've just been brilliant in the boardroom and it's shown in the market and coach decisions. Their whole development is well-ahead of course. And we haven't factored that. But it can still be slightly disappointing. You really rate Brighton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Odds-wise, it was more competing with West Ham and Leicester for 7th to 9th. https://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/premier-league-odds-2223-outright-winner-top-4-and-relegation/200983 Premier League Top Half finish 22/23 (via Sky Bet) 1/5 - Newcastle 4/6 - West Ham 4/5 - Leicester 7/4 - Aston Villa, Brighton 5/2 - Everton, Wolves 11/4 - Crystal Palace, Leeds 3/1 - Southampton 9/2 - Brentford Premier League Top 4 finish 22/23 (via Sky Bet) 1/50 - Manchester City 1/10 - Liverpool 4/5 - Chelsea 11/10 - Manchester United, Tottenham 7/4 - Arsenal 6/1 - Newcastle 12/1 - Leicester, West Ham Premier League winner 22/23 (via Sky Bet) 4/7 - Manchester City 2/1 - Liverpool 16/1 - Chelsea 25/1 - Manchester United 28/1 - Tottenham 40/1 - Arsenal 50/1 - Newcastle https://talksport.com/sport/betting-tips/1081782/premier-league-odds-man-city-title-top-four-relegation/ Winner Man City 4/7 Liverpool 2/1 Tottenham 14/1 Chelsea 16/1 Man United 28/1 Arsenal 66/1 Newcastle 80/1 West Ham 150/1 Leicester 200/1 Aston Villa 200/1 Brighton 250/1 Everton, Wolverhampton, Crystal Palace 500/1 Southampton, Leeds United, Brentford 750/1 Fulham, Nottingham Forest 1000/1 Bournemouth 2000/1 Top 4 Man City 1/33 Liverpool 1/10 Chelsea, Tottenham 8/11 Man United 11/8 Arsenal 7/4 Newcastle 8/1 West Ham 12/1 Leicester City, Aston Villa, Brighton 16/1 Everton, Wolves, Crystal Palace 33/1 Brentford, Southampton, Leeds 50/1 Fulham 66/1 Nottm Forest 100/1 Bournemouth 150/1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Obviously, West Ham and Leicester have massively failed (domestically) this season, and are nailed on to both finish in the bottom half, if not relegated, and our odds would have been exaggerated due to bookies fear, and also expected money to be placed due to the sheer magnitude of the takeover, but while we obviously can't influence how well other teams do, I agree with those who say it would be a bit disappointing if we were to finish below Brighton (or Brentford) given the position they were in, and those teams now being within 2 or 3 points, and significantly closing the gap in recent weeks, isn't ideal. Brighton are strange. They have finished bottom 6 every season since they came up with us in 2017, bar last season when they finished 9th, just a couple of points above us in 11th, but despite this, they do seem to have been geared up to do well, and it feels like they have been doing well for a while, despite their general low league finishes (as low as 16th in 2021). They also lost two of their supposed better players in the summer, and brought in lesser known players (as usual), but as others say they are very well run behind the scenes, and always seem to have a contingency plan in place for whenever it's needed, and in most cases, that plan often works out an upgrade. I'd have been very happy with 7th to 9th 'and a cup run' at the start of the season, and I'd still be OK with 7th now (as long the FA Cup was won by a side in the top 6, so we still got some sort of European football), but given we were like 8 or 9 points clear of Brighton and Brentford not too long ago, it would be a bit disappointing if we were to finish below another 'non top 6 team', even if we were to finish above the likes of Chelsea. Finishing 7th behind the 'big 6' and being the obvious 'best of the rest' at this stage of our journey, and getting the plaudits for that, would have been more satisfying to me than finishing 7th behind a supposed lesser side, who would have had an even better season than us, if that makes sense. Edited March 16, 2023 by Paullow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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