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2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I mean, something is clearly wrong, everyone can see that. Could be many things, we're just speculating.

 

I think Kaka is basically right that he needs to relax and return to a simpler, more natural game for a while. 

That's your lovely nature to think that everything is fine. Whatever is happening in Gordon's life is massively effecting him. That could be on the pitch or personal. 

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37 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Gordon has so many attributes and is a really intelligent player. Can only think there's something wrong in his mentality or his state of mind that's holding him back at the moment. 

 

I do think it's a bit lazy to just assume it's because he thinks he's better than he is. For some reason he doesn't seem to get much generosity from people - I think because they didn't like him before he came here. 

 

He might need to come out of the firing line for a while but I back him to do well again. 

That's not true though, wasn't sure about him before he signed but think plenty have backed him and loved watching him. Something is not quite right and he has been beyond shocking in most games played this season, he runs straight into players, movement is shite, won't just pass and move into better spaces. May be what he's being asked to do and isn't alone, Bruno been terrible as well. It could just be Howe etc trying to adapt in a way to Isak going but the confidence of a lot of our players looks shot.

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1 minute ago, nufc4eva said:

That's not true though, wasn't sure about him before he signed but think plenty have backed him and loved watching him. Something is not quite right and he has been beyond shocking in most games played this season, he runs straight into players, movement is shite, won't just pass and move into better spaces. May be what he's being asked to do and isn't alone, Bruno been terrible as well. It could just be Howe etc trying to adapt in a way to Isak going but the confidence of a lot of our players looks shot.

 

Fair enough, I just think a lot of the time we tend to jump to very negative conclusions about Gordon. 

 

Of course he has been bad, I was just wondering why.

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It's not just him, something just doesn't seem right and can't be just down to Isak going. The way we play, lack of energy etc, sloppy play it's just not right at moment. May be down to amount of games and lack of preparation time but all seems a bit off.

 

I trust it gets sorted but a lot of games we just don't seem to know what to do and unfortunately Gordon has looked one of the worst. Like I say he's not alone in that as our whole midfield and attack except for Tonali has been pretty shit

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9 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Fair enough, I just think a lot of the time we tend to jump to very negative conclusions about Gordon. 

 

Of course he has been bad, I was just wondering why.

I'll give my theory - he thinks he's better than he is. He thinks he should be somewhere better than Newcastle. You've stopped proving that theory here pal so the only place you're going is backwards or a bench...

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12 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

It's not just him, something just doesn't seem right and can't be just down to Isak going. The way we play, lack of energy etc, sloppy play it's just not right at moment. May be down to amount of games and lack of preparation time but all seems a bit off.

 

I trust it gets sorted but a lot of games we just don't seem to know what to do and unfortunately Gordon has looked one of the worst. Like I say he's not alone in that as our whole midfield and attack except for Tonali has been pretty shit

I find the term sloppy play a bit absurd personally. I thought we were almost immaculate tonight. Nothing ground breaking but just doing things right and well.

 

We were horrific versus West Ham and didn't impose ourselves versus Leeds. Other than that we gave Barcelona, Liverpool and Arsenal pretty good runs for their money and picked up good results against decent opposition away.

 

We're comfortably in all 4 competitions man. Sorry  @nufc4evanot aimed at you bud, but fucking hell man theres 28 games left in the PL and we're in the last 8 of the league cup and on our way to the last 16 of the CL and within 2 wins of the CL spots.

 

 

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Iknow and may be a bit negative but the ridiculous running into players or gifting chances this season through our own doing - i.e Bruno, Gordon, Joelinton etc has been mental. So unnecessary and led to our poor results at time. Love that we won tonight but was still evident how scared we look at times to just play football and let opposition worry about us / be calm, composed and find the right pass. It goes from trying to rush through teams to being so slow the opposition get organized and need to find a style to play as im not seek g it right now.

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12 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

Iknow and may be a bit negative but the ridiculous running into players or gifting chances this season through our own doing - i.e Bruno, Gordon, Joelinton etc has been mental. So unnecessary and led to our poor results at time. Love that we won tonight but was still evident how scared we look at times to just play football and let opposition worry about us / be calm, composed and find the right pass. It goes from trying to rush through teams to being so slow the opposition get organized and need to find a style to play as im not seek g it right now.

Football is very much about perspective, certainly as fans, so that's all fair and fine. Personally, I felt we did tonight what we intended to do versus West Ham and against far better opposition. We controlled the game and won the tie with some degree of comfort.

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6 minutes ago, Heron said:

Football is very much about perspective, certainly as fans, so that's all fair and fine. Personally, I felt we did tonight what we intended to do versus West Ham and against far better opposition. We controlled the game and won the tie with some degree of comfort.

Just read back this first sentence & realised what a condescending knob I may have sounded like :lol: that wasn't the intention :thup: 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Heron said:

Football is very much about perspective, certainly as fans, so that's all fair and fine. Personally, I felt we did tonight what we intended to do versus West Ham and against far better opposition. We controlled the game and won the tie with some degree of comfort.

I don’t think Bilbao are any better than West Ham mind - that’s 7 wins out of the last 8 for English sides vs Spanish ones in the EC.  The opposition we’ve faced - and will face - are not as tough as the opposition we face on the weekends.  We didn’t play well vs Bilbao and tbh we didn’t need to

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3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think Bilbao are any better than West Ham mind - that’s 7 wins out of the last 8 for English sides vs Spanish ones in the EC.  The opposition we’ve faced - and will face - are not as tough as the opposition we face on the weekends.  We didn’t play well vs Bilbao and tbh we didn’t need to

Folk would say the same about the likes of Brugge, but Brugge drew with Barcelona tonight. Qarabag with Chelsea. Bilbao may not be any better than a West Ham but they still required beating & we did so convincingly tonight.

 

Not you, but I'm starting to feel like folk are simply trying to find negatives and don't get me wrong - I simply try to find positivity, but like howay man. Neeone gets anywhere being a misery. :lol:

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Just now, Heron said:

Folk would say the same about the likes of Brugge, but Brugge drew with Barcelona tonight. Qarabag with Chelsea. Bilbao may not be any better than a West Ham but they still required beating & we did so convincingly tonight.

 

Not you, but I'm starting to feel like folk are simply trying to find negatives and don't get me wrong - I simply try to find positivity, but like howay man. Neeone gets anywhere being a misery. :lol:

I’m happy we won, but the performance wasn’t there - I remain optimistic that the performances will kick-in, we’ve seen it before with Howe’s sides.  I can’t excuse Gordon’s non-performance, though - he’s been shite for far too long 

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m happy we won, but the performance wasn’t there - I remain optimistic that the performances will kick-in, we’ve seen it before with Howe’s sides.  I can’t excuse Gordon’s non-performance, though - he’s been shite for far too long 

I don't think we're performing badly tbh. I think we aren't getting the results folk want to see and that is somewhat fair.

 

You're right about Gordon though. Feels like he's at a crossroads tbh.

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5 minutes ago, Heron said:

I don't think we're performing badly tbh. I think we aren't getting the results folk want to see and that is somewhat fair.

 

You're right about Gordon though. Feels like he's at a crossroads tbh.

It’s probably unfair by me, but it’s his gobshiteing on about elite performance and all that pish that’s sticking in the craw - stick a microphone in front of him and he’ll tell you about all the things he does to make Anthony Gordon the greatest player ever, and how he is his own icon.  Then he’ll spend the following match making horizontal runs on the halfway line before losing the ball and standing with his hands on his hips like it’s someone else’s fault..

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Maybe a couple of weeks out the team while recovering from that hip issue might be good for him. 

 

He needs a buzz cut and to get back to basics. I miss the old Gordon who was a pest for defenders all game due to his fanatical pressing game. 

 

It all just seems a bit lackadaisical lately. Maybe the red cards he's picked up have gotten to him, and it's a conscious decision to tone down his aggressiveness. We desperately need to see that aggressive Gordon back.

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3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I noticed how often he has started knocking the ball down the line, which is clearly not what he wants to be doing. 

 

I don't know if that's because he's trying to do what the fans keep screaming at him, or if he's being told to do it, or if he's just hoping he'll get an assist and get some relief or something. 

 

His strengths are reading of the attacker v defender situations, unpredictable movement, getting into the inside channels. He doesn't seem to even be trying that at the moment. 

I think it's because most defenders know he wants to cut in so show him a massive outside.

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1 hour ago, madras said:

I think it's because most defenders know he wants to cut in so show him a massive outside.

Then he needs to learn how to cross with his left foot [emoji38].

 

He's got the beating of most for pace but his play has got predictable, much like his form. 

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7 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

4 goals in 3 Champions League games before tonight


Come on now, two of them were penalties. 
 

I love the man, but he is literally the definition of a player who shouldn’t be starting currently. We spent £40m+ on Barnes, proven Prem player. If we can’t give him a run of 3 starts LW when Gordon is this out of form, it goes back to loads of my previous points, why the fuck are we bothering signing these players at those price points.

 

 

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One benefit I will give Gordon, he needs both a better LCM and an overlapping LB to give him more space. Teams know they can surround him more and allow Joelinton / Burn as outlets as threat is minimal from them with ball at feet. But until those pieces are regularly there, we shouldn’t persist with him when it’s detrimental to the side and results in short term.

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2 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

One benefit I will give Gordon, he needs both a better LCM and an overlapping LB to give him more space. Teams know they can surround him more and allow Joelinton / Burn as outlets as threat is minimal from them with ball at feet. But until those pieces are regularly there, we shouldn’t persist with him when it’s detrimental to the side and results in short term.


It’s a good point actually. I’d like to see what his form looks like after a few matches with Ramsey and Hall behind him. 

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Shadow of the player we saw 2 seasons ago, he should be getting better and better at his age, instead it's the opposite. 

 

2 seasons ago we thought we had a bargain at 40m, certainly doesn't feel that way now.

 

6 goals in his last 40 PL appearances, as a club we aren't going to  progress with that up front.

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