Anthony Gordon

[The College Dropout]

If that's outside the box it's handball.

 

If it's an opposition defender in the box.. it's probably not a penalty though. And if it was flagged, I don't think it would be reversed. Could go either way.

1 hour ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Well, get the brief number of games thus far this season. But assertion was he needs to do it regularly—two goals, two assists winning a penalty in five PL games (minutes wise) seems pretty regular to me; thus far. If point is more like a one swallow (or five…) don’t make a summer, i.e. needs to be over a longer period of time, then that is a different issue.
We perhaps have varying thresholds—in a can he on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke kind of way—a summer international tournament, preseason, not looking out of place against a CL powerhouse and that kind of return in his first half a dozen PL games this season is enough for me. 

I don't think 6 games are enough to say a player is performing at a high level regularly. Miggy did it for 12 games... and hasn't done it consistently since.

 

FWIW I genuinely think he's developing and will keep it up. His goals and assists (I'm including the penalty) are coming from thinking sharply, aggression, his increasing physicality and being a threat off both feet. He has the technique to pull off that finish 5 times a season. His quick thinking will lead to many goals. He has a lot more ability than someone like Miggy.

[Erikse]

I thought his goal was the best one yesterday. Great shot that one! Seems like he's starting to contribute in terms of g/a output aswell now. End product is improving.

[HawK]

Imagine chasing this guy out of his boyhood club

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, HawK said:

Imagine chasing this guy out of his boyhood club

Thank fook they did! 

[PauloGeordio]

 

[Matt1892]

They say it was his hand that kept the ball in play but it looks the opposite to me, that it was his hand that almost knocks it out of play before he brings it back in.

[Bondedcrown]

17 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

They say it was his hand that kept the ball in play but it looks the opposite to me, that it was his hand that almost knocks it out of play before he brings it back in.

Yep that is exactly what happened! That idiot commentator saying he kept it in ffs!

[Kanj]

Amazing, amazing player. Keep it up lad. First name on the team sheet. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

23 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

They say it was his hand that kept the ball in play but it looks the opposite to me, that it was his hand that almost knocks it out of play before he brings it back in.

 

You're right, the ball went further towards the line after hitting his hand, that's why he has to use his foot to keep it in play. 

 

That might've been part of the reason they decided to give the goal TBH, since he didn't gain any advantage (though I don't know if that's part of the rule).

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Cronky]

By the way the rules are interpreted, that's a goal. 

 

Having said that, there's still something unsatisfactory about the situation, and I wonder if it would be better if refs were allowed to use a bit of common sense, to coin the phrase. A handball may be accidental, but the player might gain a big advantage from it. I think both aspects need to be considered.

 

In the Arsenal - Spurs pen incident, the defender didn't deliberately handle the ball, but he was rushing out to block what would have been a nailed-on certain goal. A pen felt like the right decision, because the consequences of the handball were huge and obvious, but it didn't real sit with the current focus on 'deliberate'. We may have to accept that we're never going to get complete certainty and consistency in this area.

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

 

He's a right wanker that Sky Sports presenter. Every time Dermot Gallagher is on the show explaining a decision that Rob Wotton is always being a patronising prick and playing up the cameras. Wish Gallagher would just deck him live on air.

[Erikse]

2 hours ago, huss9 said:

its as if people dont trust Eddie.

 

In hindsight it's funny how everyone was laughing at Chelsea for trying to sign Gordon for about £60m, but when they got Mudryk for £88.5m instead and people were like "oh Chelsea are really cooking now".

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Erikse

[Tsunami]

Gallagher should never be allowed to give his view on anything given that what he viewed as only a Yellow in “that” Ben Thatcher assault. The man is a complete bell end.

[Cronky]

What he's showing now is an ability to go past his full back on either side. 

[PauloGeordio]

24 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

He's a right wanker that Sky Sports presenter. Every time Dermot Gallagher is on the show explaining a decision that Rob Wotton is always being a patronising prick and playing up the cameras. Wish Gallagher would just deck him live on air.

?? blam! 

[Lotus]

8 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

How many does he need to do for you Lotus? He’s had two goals and two assists in the equivalent time of five full games. 

I did say at the bottom of the post, by the new year. 
 

Miggy had a very productive half season last year and then his numbers fell off.

 

I wouldn’t expect the same thing to happen to Gordon if he has good run until Xmas. I think Gordon is a better player. He’s also a lot younger and has a lot more potential to be realised. He seems to have the attitude to do it and everything is moving in the right direction for him. He’ll have dodgy moments and off games and I’m hoping they become fewer and further between. I won’t jump on him if he has an off day. You have to look at the overall trend. So far this season it’s good but it’s not enough data points. 
 

We all want him to be a world beater but let’s wait for him to do it before crowning him.

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Lotus

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Cronky said:

By the way the rules are interpreted, that's a goal. 

 

Having said that, there's still something unsatisfactory about the situation, and I wonder if it would be better if refs were allowed to use a bit of common sense, to coin the phrase. A handball may be accidental, but the player might gain a big advantage from it. I think both aspects need to be considered.

 

In the Arsenal - Spurs pen incident, the defender didn't deliberately handle the ball, but he was rushing out to block what would have been a nailed-on certain goal. A pen felt like the right decision, because the consequences of the handball were huge and obvious, but it didn't real sit with the current focus on 'deliberate'. We may have to accept that we're never going to get complete certainty and consistency in this area.

 

But I don't get why advantage should be more important than intention. If the ball hits your hand by accident, and then you assist a goal, why should you be penalised for the ball hitting you?

 

Personally I would have almost no handballs in football, really limited to when someone clearly and deliberately plays the ball with their hand. 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

I did say at the bottom of the post, by the new year. 
 

Miggy had a very productive half season last year and then his numbers fell off.

 

I wouldn’t expect the same thing to happen to Gordon if he has good run until Xmas. I think Gordon is a better player. He’s also a lot younger and has a lot more potential to be realised. He seems to have the attitude to do it and everything is moving in the right direction for him. He’ll have dodgy moments and off games and I’m hoping they become fewer and further between. I won’t jump on him if he has an off day. You have to look at the overall trend. Songwriter this season it’s good but it’s not enough data points. 
 

We all want him to be a world beater but let’s wait for him to do it before crowning him.

Probably a safer bet to just ‘crown him’, I.e. celebrate what he is regularly doing, now. As you say, form and influence comes and goes. Signs are there though for a cracking ‘break through’ season though. 

[Jackie Broon]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But I don't get why advantage should be more important than intention. If the ball hits your hand by accident, and then you assist a goal, why should you be penalised for the ball hitting you?

 

Personally I would have almost no handballs in football, really limited to when someone clearly and deliberately plays the ball with their hand. 

 

 

 

 

I don't think advantage technically matters, but in reality if the officials are trying to assess whether someone intended to handle the ball whether they gained an advantage from it is relevant to that. Someone isn't going to intentionally do something that doesn't help them and vice versa.

[Tiresias]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But I don't get why advantage should be more important than intention. If the ball hits your hand by accident, and then you assist a goal, why should you be penalised for the ball hitting you?

 

Personally I would have almost no handballs in football, really limited to when someone clearly and deliberately plays the ball with their hand. 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm but if you look at it from perspective that the hand shouldn't be having any impact on the play and you realise there is a lot of grey area to intention makes it harder but i agree there are too many hand ball infractions. Penalty is 99% of the time a way too harsh punishment. I'd be for direct free kick even in the box with only exception being if it's on the goal line or clearly denies a goal. For the Gordon style offence I'm really not sure I can see both sides 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Probably a safer bet to just ‘crown him’, I.e. celebrate what he is regularly doing, now. As you say, form and influence comes and goes. Signs are there though for a cracking ‘break through’ season though. 

The same would be true if he goes five games and isn't playing well, isn't it? People will then say he's shit and awful.

 

Judge him over a longer period of time. He'll have peaks and troughs and we'll understand his game much more. 

 

There's nothing wrong with giving him the credit he deserves, though. But he's still got a long way to go - but it looks like he will get there.

[The College Dropout]

The Spurs one was accidental but he made himself larger and essentially made a save - definite handball.

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

The same would be true if he goes five games and isn't playing well, isn't it? People will then say he's shit and awful.

 

Judge him over a longer period of time. He'll have peaks and troughs and we'll understand his game much more. 

 

There's nothing wrong with giving him the credit he deserves, though. But he's still got a long way to go - but it looks like he will get there.

Thing is though, once you have seen evidence of somebody regularly performing well you know that they can. Not just hope that they might turn the occasional glimpse of potential into something more consistent and reliable.

Form comes and goes for all—much more in than out for the very best, obviously. I’ve seen enough consistency from him to be confident he will fulfil the potential (based on the attributes you’re aware of) he evidently has. He’s looking like an exceptionally good value signing. 

[Lotus]

For instance. His goal was fantastic but the miss a few minutes before it was criminal. Top players bury those chances because, on big occasions against top teams they don’t come up often and the best make good on opportunities like that. 

Fwiw, I think it’s clear that Gordon is a better player for us than Maxi. To have him and Barnes competing for wide positions is great for the club. Now we need a natural RWF to balance out our threat. 
Exciting times ahead.

[The College Dropout]

I agree with most of that. I remember discussing with Froggy in the summer even before the massive fall outs that Gordon was better value for money than Antony or Sancho.  He has more to his game than Antony and much better application than Sancho. 
 

I still want to see if he can pull off RW.  Barnes and him are better footballers than Almiron and Murphy.