Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: As unfit for purpose as FFP is, I’m getting increasingly narked at the shite that local football hacks put out about it, which feeds more misinfo in the fan base. The current one is ‘the best players to sell are academy products because they’re 100% FFP profit’. Total and utter bollocks. At this point Almiron’s transfer fee isn’t being amortised - he’d also be 100% profit in FFP terms. I just wish they’d stop the half-baked shite. To be fair both points are valid. Selling a player that had no cost is 100% profit. Selling a player fully amortised is also (technically) 100% profit. For profit purposes and not tax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 minutes ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: I was just reading about this. I other clubs owned by the same owners have been allowed to play in Europe. But City’s ownership model is different and would likely be reviewed. Especially with these breaches. Whats more concerning is they have 115 of them. For them to not be guilty on any of them would be almost corruption at the highest level. So why are they not being punished and yet Everton and Forrest are. It all sounds a bit fishy to me. Right now it’s because they say they’re not guilty, and many of the charges are complex. Everton and Forest admit they are, and they are straightforward breaches. Honestly, listen to that Athletic podcast, it lays it out pretty well: https://theathletic.com/podcast/144-athletic-football-podcast/ The 16th Jan one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Right now it’s because they say they’re not guilty, and many of the charges are complex. Everton and Forest admit they are, and they are straightforward breaches. Honestly, listen to that Athletic podcast, it lays it out pretty well: https://theathletic.com/podcast/144-athletic-football-podcast/ The 16th Jan one. I could get a 30 day trial and listen. That one is 54 minutes. Eak! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: To be fair both points are valid. Selling a player that had no cost is 100% profit. Selling a player fully amortised is also (technically) 100% profit. For profit purposes and not tax. I know, but they never mention the other part. That selling an Almiron brings the same profit as selling a Longstaff or a Miley. I said it in the summer, but I was genuinely surprised that we didn’t try and cash in on the likes of Almiron for an FFP boost. He’ll never have the same value again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I know, but they never mention the other part. That selling an Almiron brings the same profit as selling a Longstaff or a Miley. I said it in the summer, but I was genuinely surprised that we didn’t try and cash in on the likes of Almiron for an FFP boost. He’ll never have the same value again. Yes that is true. At his peak when he was scoring he was worth 30-40m. Now he’s back to being normal Miggy. Still worth 20-30m in today’s prices. I wouldn’t sell him though. Just with the injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: I could get a 30 day trial and listen. That one is 54 minutes. Eak! Sorry you can listen for free through the Apple Podcasts app. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: As unfit for purpose as FFP is, I’m getting increasingly narked at the shite that local football hacks put out about it, which feeds more misinfo in the fan base. The current one is ‘the best players to sell are academy products because they’re 100% FFP profit’. Total and utter bollocks. At this point Almiron’s transfer fee isn’t being amortised - he’d also be 100% profit in FFP terms. I just wish they’d stop the half-baked shite. Almiron's fee is still being amortised. There's just little left at this point. He signed a 5.5 year deal at around £22m. So let's call it £4m p/a. 4 years into the deal he signs a 3.5 year extension. So £16m has been amortised with £6m remaining over 3.5 years. So about £1.5m amortisation p/a. By the summer there will be £3m or so (rough figures) remaining. So it's still slightly better to see a HG player than him. BUT.. I assume his wages are higher than all the HG players so there will be a bigger saving from that. The advantage of this for us is that.. when we give big-money signings new contracts, the bump in wages is somewhat offset by spreading out the fee amortisation over a longer term. Edited January 18 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Go down to the KDB example for a good illustration https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fq0cqb34zc5291.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Go down to the KDB example for a good illustration https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fq0cqb34zc5291.png That’s quite interesting that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: I was just reading about this. I other clubs owned by the same owners have been allowed to play in Europe. But City’s ownership model is different and would likely be reviewed. Especially with these breaches. Whats more concerning is they have 115 of them. For them to not be guilty on any of them would be almost corruption at the highest level. So why are they not being punished and yet Everton and Forrest are. It all sounds a bit fishy to me. how does it work with regards to transfers/loans and fees between the 2 clubs? is it just the same as us and PIF cklubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Was told recently that de Bruyne gets £1m every 6 months for not putting a transfer request in. Who’s bank account that comes out of is anyone’s guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 20 minutes ago, huss9 said: how does it work with regards to transfers/loans and fees between the 2 clubs? is it just the same as us and PIF cklubs? Im not sure. Man City sold a player to Girona for 5m recently. He’s valued at 20m on transfer market. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/yangel-herrera/profil/spieler/378293 Edited January 18 by Isaksbigrightfoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: Im not sure. Man City sold a player to Girona for 5m recently. He’s valued at 20m on transfer market. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/yangel-herrera/profil/spieler/378293 this FMV works both ways so its a ricidulous concept. you either try sell a player for more than he's worth, or you manage to buy one for way under the market value. maybe transfers between clubs with the same owners should be allowed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 17/01/2024 at 13:16, Erikse said: I wonder when clubs like Man Utd, City and Chelsea will have to sell half their squad to comply. Right before the rules are changes is my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Go down to the KDB example for a good illustration https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fq0cqb34zc5291.png Why do Chelsea bother with their 8 year contracts then. Couldnt they just offer an extension after every year and get the same benefit with less risk of the player being a flop. The players would have to agree to it, which i guess could be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, simonsays said: Why do Chelsea bother with their 8 year contracts then. Couldnt they just offer an extension after every year and get the same benefit with less risk of the player being a flop. The players would have to agree to it, which i guess could be an issue. Because they wanted to spread the amortisation for the immediate accounts, not in a year or twos time. So Fernandez on the 8 year deal is 100/8 = 12.5m for account year 23/24. And every year after. If they signed him on a 5-year deal it would be 100/5 = 20m for account year 23/24. That's given them an additional 7.5m to spend for 23/24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Worth a listen for all those what about City people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, FloydianMag said: Worth a listen for all those what about City people. OK so nothing will happen then. Sound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 13 minutes ago, TRC said: OK so nothing will happen then. Sound Watched this and the guy sounds like he knows his stuff. I think he’s right aswell. If the evidence was there. In is form for to be able to “do” Man City over. Then it would have happened by now. 115 allegations and not one will stick. The problem the PL have is the evidence isn’t there. We all know something dodgy has happened. Money went into the club and was deemed sponsorship money etc but it was significantly over cooked. An example is like this. X company sponsored MC for 50m on paper. But X company only paid 5m. The balance was never paid. The money came from the owners. As far as FFP City got 50m. It doesn’t matter when or how it was paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 13 minutes ago, TRC said: OK so nothing will happen then. Sound Which we all kind of knew, City’s legal team will wipe the floor with any independent tribunal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, FloydianMag said: Which we all kind of knew, City’s legal team will wipe the floor with any independent tribunal. I hope they do. The PL has been in hock to certain favoured clubs who they consider a precious brand, so there's no way they would be impartial anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 All of this FFP stuff is dumb and annoying, but I guess worrying about this is better than worrying about not having any money to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 37 minutes ago, oldtype said: All of this FFP stuff is dumb and annoying, but I guess worrying about this is better than worrying about not having any money to begin with. I’m okay with can’t rather than won’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 7 hours ago, huss9 said: this FMV works both ways so its a ricidulous concept. you either try sell a player for more than he's worth, or you manage to buy one for way under the market value. maybe transfers between clubs with the same owners should be allowed City are just doing what they want as no one is stopping them. UEFA don't seem to care. Edited January 18 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 What fucks me off is that if we want to compete with them we will have to become them. I’d rather be shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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