Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Andy84]

3 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

 

The thing is despite all the money in the PL, plenty of clubs are still losing money.  It's all bonkers.

 

PSR is not fit for purpose but this American takeover of the game in this country is deeply worrying.

Far far more dangerous than any owner from the Gulf 

[El Prontonise]

28 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

Far far more dangerous than any owner from the Gulf 

 

I agree actually, it's ridiculous what's going on in terms of the clubs being bought etc.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

12 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

 

The thing is despite all the money in the PL, plenty of clubs are still losing money.  It's all bonkers.

 

PSR is not fit for purpose but this American takeover of the game in this country is deeply worrying.

This is the problem with trying to equate business with international reach and household budgets though. Yes they make annual losses, but they’re in the majority appreciating assets, which is why US hedge funds are falling over themselves to invest in clubs over here. 

[mighty__mag]

And we lost Minteh and Anderson. 

[r0cafella]

Does anyone know the absolute detail of the rules? I ask because it seems obvious to me the whole sell 10% is to justify the actual transaction price. But does the person buying the 10% have to disclose who they are in terms of related party transaction? 

 

These rules are obviously poorly drafted and full of contradictions, it's not a surprise City absolutely destroyed the premier League in the RPT rules. 

[The Prophet]

22 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

And we lost Minteh and Anderson. 

 

 

[mighty__mag]

Doesn't matter who reports it, it'll happen and its really annoying. 

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

You forgot to show his naked posters of Boehly and Egbahli on the walls. Primark Merchant.

[AngelofTheFourth]

We can go on about minteh and Anderson but we still lake when it comes to selling players. When you actually compare the players we sell to other teams we are still lacking. Especially if we want to build the squad.

 

24/25 season chelsea sold 9 players which included Lewis Hall, Conor Ghallager and Ian Matseen. So many youth players for pure profit. Villa also sold 9 players that season including Jhon Duran, Moussa Diaby and Douglas luiz. Me made 4 Anderson, Minteh, Almiron and Kelly. According to Transfermarkt we brought in over €100m less that villa and Chelsea in player sales 

 

People keep complaining about Anderson and Minteh but every team sells players. Our owners need to decide how are they going to run this club to be able to have the growth it needs. We will have to be smarter with our transfer in and out. 

[Armchair Pundit]

I presume teams like us, Everton, Villa, Forest are still waiting on the outcome of the eternal Man City legal case before there's any movement on attacking the Premier League with any anti-competitive lawsuits? I'm just at a loss as to how PSR/FFP is still in place when it's so heavily favouring teams with already established revenue. The fact Liverpool, Chelsea, etc have spent as much as they have and teams like Man Utd are still able to spend despite being in enormous debt, it's just blatant rigging at this point, while we're barely able to scrabble around for youngsters who might or might not ever make it into the first team further down the line.

[The College Dropout]

Villa have sold their ladies team and Everton appear to be getting ready to sell some asset to themselves too.  Forest are doing dodgy deals with Lyon again.   
 

We are waiting though. 

[duo]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Villa have sold their ladies team and Everton appear to be getting ready to sell some asset to themselves too.  Forest are doing dodgy deals with Lyon again.   
 

We are waiting though. 

You know the second we do any dodgy dealings they'll ban it

[Sibierski]

I take it as a positive we haven’t needed to do anything dodgy to get where we are. The selling of women’s teams etc is all very short sighted and just kicks the can down the road.

[persy]

If we want anything stopped regarding rules for other teams, we only need to do it once, panic meeting the next day and sorted!

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

I take it as a positive we haven’t needed to do anything dodgy to get where we are. The selling of women’s teams etc is all very short sighted and just kicks the can down the road.

We have most definitely done a dodgy thing to get where we are. £20m for Vlach and an inflated fee at the time for Anderson.

[nufc123]

What a mess.

[McCormick]

51 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Villa have sold their ladies team and Everton appear to be getting ready to sell some asset to themselves too.  Forest are doing dodgy deals with Lyon again.   
 

We are waiting though. 

We don’t really have a CEO though, man. Or at least not one doing much beyond spell-checking his handover notes.

 

YAR and PIF aren’t sitting around cooking up clever ways to game PSR;  they’ve got sovereign wealth portfolios to manage. It’s not their job to dream up shirt-sleeve sponsorship tricks or academy asset flips. That’s what a competent executive team is for- to actually think ahead, build structures, and get the necessary sign-off. But until we have someone upstairs that does more than administrative busywork, there’s not much to judge imo.

[TheBrownBottle]

31 minutes ago, McCormick said:

We don’t really have a CEO though, man. Or at least not one doing much beyond spell-checking his handover notes.

 

YAR and PIF aren’t sitting around cooking up clever ways to game PSR;  they’ve got sovereign wealth portfolios to manage. It’s not their job to dream up shirt-sleeve sponsorship tricks or academy asset flips. That’s what a competent executive team is for- to actually think ahead, build structures, and get the necessary sign-off. But until we have someone upstairs that does more than administrative busywork, there’s not much to judge imo.

We can judge their failure in three years to appoint a competent executive tbf.  

[McCormick]

That’s fair.

[The College Dropout]

I disagree. I think we need someone with connections to PIF (can be CEO but not a regular employee type like Eales) to be leading the club. Someone that can influence them. 
 

All other top clubs has a money man or a trusted advisor with close connections to the money man/woman running the club. 
 

Amanda was that.  Eales was never going to be that.  

[SAK]

1 hour ago, duo said:

You know the second we do any dodgy dealings they'll ban it

So do it and close the loopholes.

[Mattoon]

I want wor Mandy and Mehrdad back, it felt like stuff got done when they were about.

[Sibierski]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

We have most definitely done a dodgy thing to get where we are. £20m for Vlach and an inflated fee at the time for Anderson.

That’s a transfer though, where we’re scratching each others back but Forest more as we were in worse position. 
 

Not like selling women’s teams or other club infrastructure to ourselves.

[The College Dropout]

It was the last hack that clubs used. 

[gjohnson]

We are literally watching our competion bend every financial rule going while we sit in the corner like goody little two shoes making things difficult for ourselves by chasing domestic players from clubs we know are never going to sell