Match Atmosphere

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Is one of the issues not that because we don’t expect to just get twatted now in huge games, nerves and people, you know, watching the match are distracting a bit from the singing?

 

This is a cracking point like and more "fair enough" than just people being to pissed for example. Actually good if it's more that people are more invested in the match.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Optimistic Nut

[J7]

Is there not a bit of over-analysis going on too. There was a huge moan about Dortmund at home too, when it was probably just that lots of people were pissing wet.

 

Theres always been good and bad away ends. Barnsley was unreal in 2009, then I thought it was awful in 2015 despite us filling that big stand on both occasions. 
 

It feels a bit like some people on Twitter have a grievance about whatever, then try and attach anything not great to it. I even saw ‘too many kitchen sinks’ used by some racist bastard. 

[samptime29]

The tube was packed like. Some radge dortmund fan banging on window as couldn't get on. Lol

[pedro111]

5 hours ago, Vedder said:

After the league cup final, I really wished I'd travelled to London, even without a ticket. Being in Newcastle was OK, just didn't have the build up/atmosphere I was expecting. It kind of felt like a regular match day watching in a pub.

 

Yeah I went down on the Saturday and had a day/night on the piss with the lads then came back up to Newcastle on the first train to watch it. So glad I made the trip it was one of the best days of my life.

[NUFCDoog]

I've mentioned this elsewhere and with how good Spurs/Chelsea was to watch for example.

 

I know some don't like certain commentstors and Neville can grate on people etc, but I must say in the era of VAR and everything I much prefer watching premier league football in the TV than in the stadium these days.

 

It's a controversial take and I've never wanted to conform to that "armchair fan" but I've realised the past few weeks/months that its just so much better. You know exactly what's going on, you see things you simply wouldn't see in the stadium, you can follow the game much better and pick up what's happening and if there is a VAR check at least the commentary are doing their best to explain what's happening. Yeah you miss out on the atmosphere, but you can be at home with a few beers and I'm always pretty lively watching games anyway. I went to Wembley for the cup final last year and we lost which obviously didn't help, but the whole experience was just awful, I know Wembley is shit anyway but I'd dreamed of going to watch Newcastle at Wembley for years but when I was there it just felt like I'd rather be at home/the pub. The bars around there are shit, they don't have enough to support 80000+ crowd's and obviously costs are a rip off

 

I had a Season Ticket from 2008 up until last season, didn't go much last year so sacked it off this year, and now even though we're good now and yhe next few years are going to be amazing, I don't regret it one bit, majority of our matches are on TV now anyway and the odd ones that aren't you can stream or I could get a ticket if I really wanted to. I miss the away days a bit but to be fair there's so many dickheads in away fanbases these days more interested in snorting coke that it ruins it anyway.

I do go and watch my local non league side regularly so I get the live football fix there, and that's brilliant but for Newcastle I just prefer the TV.

[Shadow Puppets]

Just going back to yesterdays atmosphere (shite from minute 1), compared to the league cup game against Man Utd (phenomenal from minute 1)…

 

- both evening kick offs

- both massive games

- both decent > good away allocations

- both playing weakened teams

 

The only difference is:

 

- far less alcohol / drugs consumed vs Man Utd due to it being a work night, most people driving to and from the game that day.

 

And the Man Utd game had FAR more day tripper away fans with the 7,000 allocation.

 

Really think the fans need to take a good hard look at why the hell they bother if all they plan on doing is getting wankered before during the day.

 

[LFEE]

7 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Really think the fans need to take a good hard look at why the hell they bother if all they plan on doing is getting wankered before during the day.

 

Sadly though with these types of people it extends to most their social activities be it holidays or nights out. UK is basically a high proportion of functioning alcoholics ?

 

Id be hypocritical if I said I’d never done it once when very young but usually once is enough. The state of people the whole trip (all ages) and the behaviour it leads to… ?

[ponsaelius]

24 minutes ago, NUFCDoog said:

I've mentioned this elsewhere and with how good Spurs/Chelsea was to watch for example.

 

I know some don't like certain commentstors and Neville can grate on people etc, but I must say in the era of VAR and everything I much prefer watching premier league football in the TV than in the stadium these days.

 

It's a controversial take and I've never wanted to conform to that "armchair fan" but I've realised the past few weeks/months that its just so much better. You know exactly what's going on, you see things you simply wouldn't see in the stadium, you can follow the game much better and pick up what's happening and if there is a VAR check at least the commentary are doing their best to explain what's happening. Yeah you miss out on the atmosphere, but you can be at home with a few beers and I'm always pretty lively watching games anyway. I went to Wembley for the cup final last year and we lost which obviously didn't help, but the whole experience was just awful, I know Wembley is shit anyway but I'd dreamed of going to watch Newcastle at Wembley for years but when I was there it just felt like I'd rather be at home/the pub. The bars around there are shit, they don't have enough to support 80000+ crowd's and obviously costs are a rip off

 

I had a Season Ticket from 2008 up until last season, didn't go much last year so sacked it off this year, and now even though we're good now and yhe next few years are going to be amazing, I don't regret it one bit, majority of our matches are on TV now anyway and the odd ones that aren't you can stream or I could get a ticket if I really wanted to. I miss the away days a bit but to be fair there's so many dickheads in away fanbases these days more interested in snorting coke that it ruins it anyway.

I do go and watch my local non league side regularly so I get the live football fix there, and that's brilliant but for Newcastle I just prefer the TV.

 

I can empathise with this view to some extent like. PL football (and most top flight) is in a lot of ways designed for television viewing rather than in person. VAR is the most obvious manifestation of this. It wouldn't even exist without the hypertelevised nature of football with all the cameras/angles/replays. The result is that the traditional spectator can be completely in the dark with what is going on in the game while the home viewer sees the whole picture.

 

The reason to go to the game in person is for the atmosphere. But if this is sanitised or underwhelming then the reason for being there in the first place is lost. I was really disappointed by the atmosphere for Dortmund (h) and it really felt like a lot of money for the kind of experience I got out of it. 

 

I had a season ticket for years of shit, but I don't really massively regret not having it now despite us being much better now. I got used to going to watch lots of non league football and going to see other football home and abroad as a neutral. I don't think I could do this as much if I went to every single home game - and I'm happy to just dip in now and again these days.

[Disco]

9 hours ago, PCW1983 said:

Yeah, it’s traditional. Looking up to the left at the Dortmund fans it looked like safe standing. 
 

I just meant if we’re to have standing it need much tighter controls around it….and some sensible people. 

Was just bars infront of the seats in the upper tiers as it was canny steep. They have the same at Mestalla etc. Yellow Wall is fairly crash barrier free compared to the safe standing we have at SJP. 
 

This is about 45 mins after the game:

 

[Disco]

4 hours ago, TBG said:

4 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Oh I did ?

Some pissed up dickhead chav on the tube shouting at some Dortmund fans that "England won the war" and that we "saved the world from having to speak your horrible language".

 

@Disco

They weren’t wearing poppies either. Disgusting.

[OCOCOL]

52 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Just going back to yesterdays atmosphere (shite from minute 1), compared to the league cup game against Man Utd (phenomenal from minute 1)…

 

- both evening kick offs

- both massive games

- both decent > good away allocations

- both playing weakened teams

 

The only difference is:

 

- far less alcohol / drugs consumed vs Man Utd due to it being a work night, most people driving to and from the game that day.

 

And the Man Utd game had FAR more day tripper away fans with the 7,000 allocation.

 

Really think the fans need to take a good hard look at why the hell they bother if all they plan on doing is getting wankered before during the day.

 

Agree to disagree mate but it’s easier for the younguns to go to OT than Dortmund and we’ve always had a drunken away following - Antwerp away in the KK days and Bilbao were something else. We’ve also had the oldest average age of season ticket holders in the PL. 

 

I’m not quite sure what point I’m trying to make but to misquote Homer Simpson “Never blame the drink”.

 

For all regular attendees you can’t deny we have a different mix of people (rightly or wrongly) at aways compared to previous years. 

[Whitley mag]

50 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

I can empathise with this view to some extent like. PL football (and most top flight) is in a lot of ways designed for television viewing rather than in person. VAR is the most obvious manifestation of this. It wouldn't even exist without the hypertelevised nature of football with all the cameras/angles/replays. The result is that the traditional spectator can be completely in the dark with what is going on in the game while the home viewer sees the whole picture.

 

The reason to go to the game in person is for the atmosphere. But if this is sanitised or underwhelming then the reason for being there in the first place is lost. I was really disappointed by the atmosphere for Dortmund (h) and it really felt like a lot of money for the kind of experience I got out of it. 

 

I had a season ticket for years of shit, but I don't really massively regret not having it now despite us being much better now. I got used to going to watch lots of non league football and going to see other football home and abroad as a neutral. I don't think I could do this as much if I went to every single home game - and I'm happy to just dip in now and again these days.

Yeah reason for going in person is the atmosphere, unfortunately a lot don’t want to participate in creating it these days.

 

Think I’ve finally accepted it’s changed for good and doubt I’ll be back again for a long time.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Whitley mag

[Bellis80]

Overhead a conversation in the airport today. “Load of dickheads go now so i’m not going to go as much. But we used to be those dickheads and we just don’t like the new ones doing it”. Thought that summed it up quite well.

[OCOCOL]

15 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

Overhead a conversation in the airport today. “Load of dickheads go now so i’m not going to go as much. But we used to be those dickheads and we just don’t like the new ones doing it”. Thought that summed it up quite well.

That’s spot on. You get older you shake your head at the laughing gas balloons and bags of toot / ket all over the shop, the overpriced clothes and youthful machismo / bravado  but if you’re honest we were the same in the 80s/90s/00s .. there just wasn’t the preening and posturing for insta likes which does a lot of us middle aged old bastards heeds in 

[Disco]

Half the lads whinging would’ve been rucking on at the match back in the day. Nostalgia simply omits the bits that would’ve been shite.
 

I was above the standing bit and even when there was singing and bouncing it just didn’t travel well IMO so nowt ever seemed to get going massively. 
 

On the plus side bar a couple of pissed kids in the square there was no bother or bad crack to report. The BVB fans in the crowd seemed to appreciate the crack and how many had travelled over to their fairly average city.

 

Mad seeing loads of German charvas in the station this morning doing laughing gas as I waited for my train to the airport this morning mind. 

[geordiesteve710]

21 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

‘People being drunk’ may be the worst excuse for a shit atmosphere I’ve heard yet.

 

There are a lot of social ills caused by public drunkenness, but one positive is that it tends to make for lairy and loud away ends.

 

Every time the camera panned to the away end it seemed to be full of half-and-half scarfers and passivity.   They didn’t look pissed-up to me. 
 

Someone else mentioned Feyenoord in 2002 above - I was there, and me and the lads I was with started pretty early that morning in Amsterdam and were well served by the time we got to Rotterdam for the match - and so was most of the away end.  I don’t remember that being a ‘half and half scarf’ experience - that away end was crackers (in a good way).  Singing AYE AYE LIPPI LIPPI AYE

I can't properly explain how much I agree with this. I'm 41, I've just spent 3 days on the lash. Tuesday morning I was hungover to shit, but by kickoff I was in full voice again.

 

The idea that people are too hungover and can't sing is utter bollocks

 

If anything I drink at the football in order to lose control and be louder

 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by geordiesteve710

[TheBrownBottle]

33 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said:

I can't properly explain how much I agree with this. I'm 41, I've just spent 3 days on the lash. Tuesday morning I was hungover to shit, but by kickoff I was in full voice again.

 

The idea that people are too hungover and can't sing is utter bollocks

 

If anything I drink at the football in order to lose control and be louder

 

 

 

 good lad - as a fellow 41-year-old I’m impressed that you’ve still got the stamina mate

[J7]

There’s probably a right level of drunkenness which helps before you turn into a useless mess tbf. I can think of a few times in the past where I’ve been in such a state I’d have been no use to helping create an atmosphere. Brugge was one. Derby under Big Sam and Forest for a late kick off under Hughton. Other occasions I’ve been pissed and had a great time like Leeds when Shelvey scored. Probably just hadn’t gone over the useless mess level. Ha. I’ve no idea the impact coke would have in all honesty.

 

There was me talking about over analysis before. ?

[Shadow Puppets]

8 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said:

I can't properly explain how much I agree with this. I'm 41, I've just spent 3 days on the lash. Tuesday morning I was hungover to shit, but by kickoff I was in full voice again.

 

The idea that people are too hungover and can't sing is utter bollocks

 

If anything I drink at the football in order to lose control and be louder

 

 

 

 

I'm glad you had a good time mate, but from the area I was in, it was clear that people were so far gone they didn't stand a chance of being able to create an atmosphere. Literal zombies.

[mondonewc]

On a more positive note, this was fucking amazing from Keith Barrett, what a legend! (Would love to see the full version if someone can find it) 
 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by mondonewc

[mondonewc]

I realise this isn't "match atmosphere" specific lol so there was maybe a better channel to post it in but enjoy anyways 

[Whitley mag]

Superb from Keith.

[NUFC91]

13 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Superb from Keith.

 

Might need to do stuff like that more often to get more classics out. Some brilliant songs never get touched.

 

[Whitley mag]

Particularly love the fuck off Jurgen Klopp and Howay Howay Howay parts.

[frankpingel]

The Keegan, Jinky Smith ect references my particular highlight.