Match Atmosphere

[Danh1]

Just now, Heron said:

I was canny gutted as my voice went early doors, but what an absolutely shit atmosphere today. Was 209% embarrassing.

Infuriating that the club couldn’t give a fuck either. 
 

They could start work now and put things such as those discussed above in place for next season, if they wanted to. 
 

Instead they’ll just let the fan culture aspect of the club continue on its knees. Yet use Wor Flags etc for their promotional content. 

[TheGuv]

3 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Infuriating that the club couldn’t give a fuck either. 
 

They could start work now and put things such as those discussed above in place for next season, if they wanted to. 
 

Instead they’ll just let the fan culture aspect of the club continue on its knees. Yet use Wor Flags etc for their promotional content. 

Said it a few times on here and I’ve spoken to Heron and some other WF lads in person about it…

 

I think they should stop doing it for a while. 

[Harry 209]

6 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Infuriating that the club couldn’t give a fuck either. 
 

They could start work now and put things such as those discussed above in place for next season, if they wanted to. 
 

Instead they’ll just let the fan culture aspect of the club continue on its knees. Yet use Wor Flags etc for their promotional content. 

I think the fans need to take 100% responsibility for the atmosphere they really shouldn't need assistance from the club. 

If you need assistance from the club to generate an atmosphere then we are knackered on that front.

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, Harry 209 said:

I think the fans need to take 100% responsibility for the atmosphere they really shouldn't need assistance from the club. 

If you need assistance from the club to generate an atmosphere then we are knackered on that front.

Cannot disagree. Sadly feel that the only chance it has of improving is with some help from the club though. 

Would love to be wrong and it to turn into a bearpit, but can’t see it happening as is.

[Harry 209]

If anyone thinks the fans were bad in the stadium today,  then check out the comments on the NUFC Facebook page. 

I'd like to load them all into a rocket and fire them into outer space. 

 

 

[NUFC91]

18 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

I think the fans need to take 100% responsibility for the atmosphere they really shouldn't need assistance from the club. 

If you need assistance from the club to generate an atmosphere then we are knackered on that front.

 

Agree but I honestly think club need to do a big remap of ground as it's daft ATM, family enclosure next to away fans needs to be moved and a large standing area needs putting up, people who want to sit will sharp move.

[gotham town]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

The must berated STHs losing the ability to buy extra tickets coincides with the drop off yet never seems mentioned. Maybe one to discuss?

 

how the fuck do you come to that conclusion?

sorry.... you're obviously taking the piss! 

 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by gotham town

[J7]

Mind you only need to have a quick walk around before the game or at half time to realise why the atmosphere is pretty shit. Simply the demographics of folk there. The average age of the crowd must be 50-60. I do think people are looking back with rose tinted glasses too mind. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, TheGuv said:

But even with a new stadium, one assumes you’d still be transferring the 30,000 ST holders across to a new stadium. Wonderful acoustics won’t mean anything with those people in the stadium.

 

Add in more corporate and more fans who sit down when a penalty is taken, and you could have the greatest stadium in the world - it won’t improve the atmosphere.

 

Ticketing is 100% the main issue here imo. Very closely followed by the need for a section(s) to be created for likeminded individuals. 
 

Level 7 singing section was detached to the rest of the stadium for 3000 supporters. And we made a hell of a racket and we all loved it up there. 

 

Level 7 singing section was great for those of us who were in it. My dad who sat/sits in the Gallowgate couldn't really hear us. Unfortunately it didn't carry all the way round Level 7 nor did the people in the Leazes underneath carry the noise on.

 

The main problems are the ticketing but also the people who go to the match these days. Simple as that. Most season ticket holders are in their 50s and 60s now and they still make up the bulk of the support. Traditionally fans in that age bracket have never been the most vocal spectators. In years gone by they'd have long since retired to the East or old West Stand, making room for the next lot of radgies to take their place in the Leazes or Gallowgate. They are still hogging their place in the Leazes and Gallowgate and there's no young radgies coming through.

 

A new stadium would help a bit I'd think. People should be able to apply for seats next to their mates and you'd like to think they could create an end where they'd encourage people to go to if they want to stand and sing. At the moment it's neither nowt nor something with small pockets dotted around and diluted by miserable bastards who have no interest in supporting the team.

 

The only saving grace currently is that it's likely bottomed out now. I really don't see how 52000 people could make any less noise than what we have at the moment so it's probably as bad as it's going to get.

[LaurentRobert]

9 minutes ago, J7 said:

Mind you only need to have a quick walk around before the game or at half time to realise why the atmosphere is pretty shit. Simply the demographics of folk there. The average age of the crowd must be 50-60. I do think people are looking back with rose tinted glasses too mind. 

This. Improving atmosphere in the new stadium would be easy. Make tickets more accessible for younger fans ( a standing section for 16-25 year olds for instance) and get like minded fans together, for example an all standing Gallowgate Wall where it should be generally known that this is where fans will be chanting and standing for the 90 minutes. If that's not your cup of tea you can politely fuck off to the Sir Bobby Robson stand where you can enjoy the match in silence with the rest of the East Stand pensioners 

[bobbydazzla]

The club could could make low cost straightforward changes to fix the atmosphere 

 

Massive swathes of safe standing in Gallowgate and Leazes, designate them singing areas

 

Standing & singing section in L7 next to away fans 

 

Break the family section down into smaller sections and spread it around the ground 

 

Have cheaper tickets for 18-25 year olds and make it easy to go as a group  

 

Make it easy for ST’s to move if they want to get in / out of a new standing area  

 

Do massive comms around the changes, so people know that matchgoing fans are being given the tools to make more noise, but it’s up to them to deliver 

 

It’s embarrassing that it’s needed but do some comms about getting involved, turning up with a positive attitude, learning songs & chants, keeping phones in pockets etc 

 

Make it very clear that all of this is for the greater good. We need to be United through the changes 

 

And if that doesn’t work then we are completely fucked 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[NUFC91]

56 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

The club could could make low cost straightforward changes to fix the atmosphere 

 

Massive swathes of safe standing in Gallowgate and Leazes, designate them singing areas

 

Standing & singing section in L7 next to away fans 

 

Break the family section down into smaller sections and spread it around the ground 

 

Have cheaper tickets for 18-25 year olds and make it easy to go as a group  

 

Make it easy for ST’s to move if they want to get in / out of a new standing area  

 

Do massive comms around the changes, so people know that matchgoing fans are being given the tools to make more noise, but it’s up to them to deliver 

 

It’s embarrassing that it’s needed but do some comms about getting involved, turning up with a positive attitude, learning songs & chants, keeping phones in pockets etc 

 

Make it very clear that all of this is for the greater good. We need to be United through the changes 

 

And if that doesn’t work then we are completely fucked 

 

 

 

 

Plenty of other clubs have done it, there's no issue with the age demographic if you have a standing end and relocate fans but it's pointless having 4 stands where everyone wants a different match day experience.

[Paully]

11 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said:

That was really poor again today.

 

Much much worse than the Forest game was.

 

If people can't get excited about a home FA Cup 5th round tie then they should really pack it in and do something different with their spare time.

 

Far too many happy to rock up, hold up a flag before kickoff and think they've done their job and they can then settle down for a natter with their mates.

 

Not strictly to be filed under "atmosphere" but was appalling the amount of people that fucked off at the end and couldn't be bothered to acknowledge the players effort (yes they played shit but they had run themselves into the ground by the end.)

 

Gallowgate lower was at least 3 quarters empty by the time they came round. Of course the beggy cunts woth their tatty cardboard signs demanding players shirts were out in force  that's something else that needs to be banned imo

 

Aye, there was hardly anyone near me when they walked around - might be my general BO mind!

[LFEE]

9 hours ago, gotham town said:

 

how the fuck do you come to that conclusion?

sorry.... you're obviously taking the piss! 

 

 

 

 

The atmosphere at each game since the club rebooted under Howe until they removed the option was was I’d say constantly the best atmospheres we’ve had those 18 or more months.

 

Once removed and memberships were the only way of picking up general sale tickets the atmospheres declined.

 

Beforehand as a ST Holder you could queue first and guarantee friends who really wanted to go to games got the tickets and seat them together.

 

 

 

 

[gotham town]

8 minutes ago, LFEE said:

The atmosphere at each game since the club rebooted under Howe until they removed the option was was I’d say constantly the best atmospheres we’ve had those 18 or more months.

 

Once removed and memberships were the only way of picking up general sale tickets the atmospheres declined.

 

Beforehand as a ST Holder you could queue first and guarantee friends who really wanted to go to games got the tickets and seat them together.

 

 

 

 

 

                        

 

Praise be to the mighty season ticket holders and their mates.

What a pile of hilarious, steaming bollocks, you fucking cretin.

[jack j]

10 hours ago, TheGuv said:

Said it a few times on here and I’ve spoken to Heron and some other WF lads in person about it…

 

I think they should stop doing it for a while. 

100%

As long as the manager knows its not a dig at him/club but the fans inside the ground

[J7]

7 minutes ago, gotham town said:

 

                        

 

Praise be to the mighty season ticket holders and their mates.

What a pile of hilarious, steaming bollocks, you fucking cretin.

Mind he’s got a point. I’m not sure it was the right thing to have ST holders getting tickets before others like that, but it’s true that the atmosphere is going to be better if you can sit next to like minded people. 
 

Separately, I’m not sure why the club couldn’t do something to group similar minded people together, especially in a new stadium. You see it in Scotland at Ibrox and Parkhead where they have ‘ultras’ areas and most of their tickets at ST holders. I’m not advocating ultras with shitty drums, but it’s clearly doable to get people with the same mentality together in a stadium.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by J7

[Sima]

Making the entire Gallowgate safe standing alongside the price freeze end will be the best course of action if they want a sharp change imo.

[Chicken Dancer]

I was a member in 22/23 and was much easier to get tickets and sit where you want. It’s the ballots that’s fucked it. 
 

pretty sure the club sell tickets for inflated prices on 3rd party websites too, which won’t help. 

[TBG]

 

 

 

[Bellis80]

14 minutes ago, gotham town said:

 

                        

 

Praise be to the mighty season ticket holders and their mates.

What a pile of hilarious, steaming bollocks, you fucking cretin.

Away ends are way worse now since they were stopped passing tickets on as well. He’s got a point.

[jack j]

3 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

Away ends are way worse now since they were stopped passing tickets on as well. He’s got a point.

Yeh but he's all for that happening

[Rich]

The atmosphere is nowhere near it was in that first six-to-18 months under Howe/after the takeover, but is it really any surprise? Is it not just reflective of the general feeling malaise around the club versus the absolute high we were on during that period? Bit of after the Lord Mayor's show and all that. There are some games where I have to proper force myself to try and belt stuff out, versus others where it's just natural to do.

[TheGuv]

10 minutes ago, Rich said:

The atmosphere is nowhere near it was in that first six-to-18 months under Howe/after the takeover, but is it really any surprise? Is it not just reflective of the general feeling malaise around the club versus the absolute high we were on during that period? Bit of after the Lord Mayor's show and all that. There are some games where I have to proper force myself to try and belt stuff out, versus others where it's just natural to do.

I remember being able to pick up tickets (without a membership) in 21-22 literally a day before a game under Howe when we couldn’t get a win. 
 

I got a Strawberry Corner ticket for the Norwich game (Clark sending off) literally the day before. People just didn’t want to know. Yet the atmosphere was amazing during that run of being unable to win. 
 

Towards the end of the season when we started picking up wins it became harder and harder. 22-23 was probably the peak of atmosphere for me as a supporter in the whole ground (I will discount the Leazes Corner 2008-11 as it was only in that small section of the ground). I genuinely believe the atmosphere helped us win some games that season that helped us get to 4th place. 

 

I think it’s no shock or surprise that there’s an obvious correlation of poor atmosphere since Silverstone came in and brought the balloting process in were brought in. Arsenal fans were quick to say similar issues with the ballot when Silverstone left Arsenal. 
 

I’m actually getting sick of saying the same things over and over again. I’ve lobbied the Trust but all we’ve had so far is a survey from them. It needs serious lobbying and action from fan groups as a matter of urgency. The irony being, a consistently poor atmosphere DOES affect the players and if that’s the difference between finishing in the Champions League or Europa League - the club actually loses out on more money. 
 

Is that really worth it for 100,000 memberships at £40? 
 

It’s short sighted and is pissing off a large chunk of the fan base.

 

 

 

[Rich]

Cracking post, that. There are a ton of things they could be doing to improve things, but our executive team seems to move at a glacial pace even when trying to do stuff.

 

I also agree it's costing us points/wins at times.