2023 FIFA Women's World Cup: Rubiales banned from all football-related activities for three years

[Erikse]

Luis Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lips She did not like that..

[joeyt]

What's the craic with the Spanish manager?

 

Loads of players boycotted this tournament because they don't like his coaching methods but he's managed to win the World Cup without them. So his coaching methods have been justified? Or is there more to it than that

[Lish007]

2 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

No point looking back though is there ? As bad as that was.  If we look at how the women's game has grown over the last 10 years, in particular the last 3 or 4, if that growth continues then hopefully it grows to where you want it to be.

 

A major issue is grassroots, there's still not enough being done. Unfortunately most grassroots is still dominated by men, and older men at that.  Its changing but again not quick enough, there has to be more women elected to local clubs committees.

 

You have to change it at its core, at the grassroots for things to change, especially so there's more teams for to girls access. At moment girls teams here have to travel so far, as most men's team don't take it seriously as to create and even think of creating girl's or women's teams.

 

My joke did not go down well, but please, its not comparible to racism or intolerance. that's a tad too far imo, but you're entitled to that opinion, but I disagree.

 

 

 

 

I agree with your grassroots opinion but we live in a patriarchal world where you've basically just said a joke about being sexist is 'not as bad as being racist or intolerance'. 

 

If we are talking grassroots then it starts with women like me, telling men like you, that your comments aren't helpful, insightful or wanted. Sexism is so ingrained in this society that you don't even know when you are being sexist. The thing that racism and homophobia have on their side is that men are also black and gay.  Unfortunately, women don't have men in their ranks and until you start to call each other out for baseless comments, things won't change. We need men on our side, not against us. 

 

And it's okay for you to say "no point looking at the past" when you've not had to fight to have the rights to be the sex that you are. 

 

I understand I have white privilege, it's sometimes uncomfortable for me to comprehend that I have a privilege based on the colour of my skin - something I can't help but there it is. It's down to you to realise you have male privilege and you are treated differently because of that. 

 

Anyway, this is the football section and I don't wanna get into a lengthy debate about these things. I understand you were joking, but please, from a female perspective, try to reflect that it's not funny for us to hear this all the time. 

 

 

 

 

[Bimpy474]

Men like me ?

 

OK, so I was brought up by single mother, had zero grandfather's, both absent. An absent father who was abusive prior to leaving us, dragged up by mother and grandma, and my two aunts.

 

For the last twenty years I've worked with predominantly ladies. I now manage my department (I hate the term, I'm the one who makes a decision if its needed is more apt) half a dozen fantastic ladies who make my job a joy to be at, and around.

 

We are all equals in my department, from the cleaner to me and every decision is discussed among all of us, and some of my older male staff didnt like it, well that was tough and they left, well moved elsewhere.

 

OK, a joke has gone down poorly, but you have no idea who I am or what I stand for. And I learnt long ago what someone writes is not always perceived how its meant and intended. Some people are better at written words than others, and I'm from Essex, so excuses in.

 

And with the same reasoning I'm not judging you on a few words written in this gloriously fantastic place.

 

Who knew Alan Partridge was so, well....

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Lish007]

10 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

Men like me ?

 

OK, so I was brought up by single mother, had zero grandfather's, both absent. An absent father who was abusive prior to leaving us, dragged up by mother and grandma, and my two aunts.

 

For the last twenty years I've worked with predominantly ladies. I now manage my department (I hate the term, I'm the one who makes a decision if its needed is more apt) half a dozen fantastic ladies who make my job a joy to be at, and around.

 

We are all equals in my department, from the cleaner to me and every decision is discussed among all of us, and some of my older male staff didnt like it, well that was tough and they left, well moved elsewhere.

 

OK, a joke has gone down poorly, but you have no idea who I am or what I stand for. And I learnt long ago what someone writes is not always perceived how its meant and intended. Some people are better at written words than others, and I'm from Essex, so excuses in.

 

And with the same reasoning I'm not judging you on a few words written in this gloriously fantastic place.

 

Who knew Alan Partridge was so, well....

 

 

 

 

If you're the exemplary man you say you are, then set the standard - don't be the problem. 

 

I'm not judging, I'm just so tired of the "joke that's not a joke". 

[80]

1 hour ago, oldtype said:

 

 

It's weird when you think about it. Since childhood, I've always enjoyed both Mens' and Womens' events at the Olympics, more or less equally. The fact that the Women's 100m is always going to be run a few seconds slower than the Men's didn't make it seem any less interesting.

 

But for the longest time, I wasn't applying that same standard in any context other than the Olympics. Womens' events always seemed trivial relative to the Mens'. In retrospect, perhaps it was because I had just been conditioned to feel that way because of how our society treats Womens' sport in general (with the Olympics being the one exception.)

 

Obviously the pinnacle of football is always going to be the mens' Premier League and the mens' World Cup. But that doesn't mean that the womens' counterparts can't be enjoyable and a good product in their own right, especially now that more money is starting to flow into those events. The fact that they maybe kick the ball a bit less well than the men doesn't matter at the end of the day. They still kick it plenty well enough for the matches to be entertaining for a lot of people.

 

 

 

I think the focus on the quality of the game* is somewhat of a red herring for both sides of the argument. There's no question that people can get very emotionally invested in watching very crap footballers - seeing parents being transfixed by their under 8s playing tells it's own story.

 

I think especially for commercial team sports a large part of the interest comes from tracking the narrative. I can personally confirm that football in general is a hell of a lot less interesting when you're not following a club. The vast majority of things you might normally pay attention to lose any relevance through lack of context. Hence if you've never had any interest in women's football, it is that much harder to become interested in it. Basically the same problem football has in breaking America.

 

That's why I see women being treated more equally more easily in individual sports like the Olympics and tennis. The focus is far more on one person's life and nature of the sport itself. There shouldn't be any surprise that all of these sports - men and women alike - are far less popular and commercially robust than multi-decade narrative-driven team sports. Shallower to opt in, easier to opt out. And at the moment, women's football is viewed more like an Olympic sport, while men's football is viewed more as a primal, tribal, dramatic battle.

 

I think that's what women's football needs to focus on if people think it should be comparably popular with men's football and not only exist happily in it's own space. It's why I think NUFC have been smart to focus on trying to make the women's team an arm of the club and emphasizing regional identity, rather than just saying women are great at football and equality is great and here's why you need to be interested. Plonking something decent down and ordering people to pay attention is how you get a team like MK Dons, who are probably the 10th most popular team in a 1 team city. Getting people to feel a sense of organic ownership is far more sustainable.

 

*Apart from the goalkeeping. That does kill the game for me because it breaks the reward mechanism. But that's another story...

[54]

Horrific that, can't even begin to imagine the emotional state she'd have been in.

[Bimpy474]

15 minutes ago, Lish007 said:

 

If you're the exemplary man you say you are, then set the standard - don't be the problem. 

 

I'm not judging, I'm just so tired of the "joke that's not a joke". 

 

The unneeded dig aside, I'm far from exemplary, a long way from it, but as you age you learn.

I will still joke about everything and everyone, use the ignore button if you find those too much.

[Disco]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

What's the craic with the Spanish manager?

 

Loads of players boycotted this tournament because they don't like his coaching methods but he's managed to win the World Cup without them. So his coaching methods have been justified? Or is there more to it than that

Can’t remember what I was listening to but heard him described as an over controlling and overbearing partner with the players, not respecting their personal boundaries, as well as being a shit coach compared to what they were used to with their clubs (specifically Barca).

[LiquidAK]

Jesus, poor woman. The emotional whiplash you'd get from the high of winning it to getting that news, brutal.

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, Disco said:

Can’t remember what I was listening to but heard him described as an over controlling and overbearing partner with the players, not respecting their personal boundaries, as well as being a shit coach compared to what they were used to with their clubs (specifically Barca).

 

Hmm, I mean he's just won the world cup with 15 players boycotting it. Surely he must feel he can say he's a pretty good coach

[Bimpy474]

3 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Jesus, poor woman. The emotional whiplash you'd get from the high of winning it to getting that news, brutal.

 

That's heartbreaking, you can only feel so much love for her, poor lass.

[Kanji]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

Hmm, I mean he's just won the world cup with 15 players boycotting it. Surely he must feel he can say he's a pretty good coach

they were fucking outstanding today, won it with the best player in the world recovering from ACL too. Not even a clue who these 15 were boycotting but they looked immense today. 

[BlueStar]

12 hours ago, 54 said:

Horrific that, can't even begin to imagine the emotional state she'd have been in.

 

He died on Friday but they decided not to tell her until after the game so it wouldn't affect her performance.

[Yorkie]

9 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

 

He died on Friday but they decided not to tell her until after the game so it wouldn't affect her performance.

 

Probably important to note that the "they" here is her family, in case anyone thought it was the Spanish FA. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Nike going to sell a limited number of Mary Earps shirts. Might be worth trying to get one of those. 

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[LiquidAK]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Nike going to sell a limited number of Mary Earps shirts. Might be worth trying to get one of those. 

Hopefully it sells massively and makes them look even more stupid.

 

Tempted to get a Hemp 11 one actually as she impressed me so much  seems the men's kit and the women's is the same design this year as far as I can tell so that makes sizing easier

[Izakaya]

1 hour ago, LiquidAK said:

Hopefully it sells massively and makes them look even more stupid.

 

Tempted to get a Hemp 11 one actually as she impressed me so much  seems the men's kit and the women's is the same design this year as far as I can tell so that makes sizing easier

I'm sure they did a men's version of the women's WC kit too. 

[LiquidAK]

12 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

I'm sure they did a men's version of the women's WC kit too. 

I was struggling to find it, I think they did them special during the Euros because the kit was different for the men's and women's teams but the design is the same this year? Not sure though 

[iklgizmo]

18 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

I was struggling to find it, I think they did them special during the Euros because the kit was different for the men's and women's teams but the design is the same this year? Not sure though 

It's a different shirt for the men and the women, but you can get a 'mens fit' of the womes shirt. Think a website called Foudys has them in stock

[iklgizmo]

20 hours ago, 54 said:

 

He's lost the plot now! Refusing to stand down, and basically making out he's the victim and getting a standing ovation for doing so!

 

Shows that the players who stood down before the world cup had good reason  as there are clearly issues running right though the organisation! 

 

Obviously I'm gutted England lost, but I hate even more that these people are using winning the world cup as justification of their behaviour!

[LiquidAK]

1 hour ago, iklgizmo said:

It's a different shirt for the men and the women, but you can get a 'mens fit' of the womes shirt. Think a website called Foudys has them in stock

Thank you

[Deuce]

On 24/08/2023 at 14:49, 54 said:

 

 he really got up on stage and did the Wolf of Wall Street

 

 

[Erikse]

On 24/08/2023 at 20:49, 54 said:

 

 

Wasn't it because he kissed a player without consent during the celebrations? Many were calling for him to resign because of that.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Erikse