Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[80]

Strictly speaking, we don't know whether there are any clauses attached to the Minteh sale, do we?

 

I agree it feels unlikely that we do. But - from what I gleaned at the time - the Everton sale was set to go through, with Minteh being keen, until Brighton came in and our attention totally switched to them. So maybe the terms were preferable.

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, tarie4 said:

Club management and ownership do not create detailed plans, they establish clear objectives. For instance, in a recent interview in Germany, Eales discussed objectives rather than plans. Similarly, Staveley mentioned in an interview that the primary objective was to retain all of our star players.

 

After establishing the clear objectives they then formulate plans, it is important to remember that the objectives should remain constant, even if the plans need to be adjusted due to unforeseen circumstances.

 

In this case, the objective was to retain all of our star players, and this was successfully achieved. In the business world, such an accomplishment is typically rewarded with a bonus.

 

However, it is puzzling to observe that some individuals discuss plans without clearly defined objectives. PIF sets objectives, and the board is responsible for meeting them. Failure to do so should result in appropriate consequences.

 

For instance, Eddie's objective for this season is to qualify for European competition. The specific strategies he employs to achieve this goal are secondary. If he fails to meet this objective, it would be reasonable for him to face job termination.

 

I trust that this explanation clarifies the importance of objectives in business and sports.

 

I love how you've just assumed when I speak about plans there are no underlying objectives to them   

[tarie4]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’ve conceded ground. Given the circumstances it was the right thing to do.  
 

If you sell a highly rated 20 year old without a way to benefit from future success - it’s because you don’t have leverage and have been bent over. Or you extracted a premium on the transfer - which we didn’t, it wasn’t the highest bid. 

We all want the best for Newcastle while we may have differing opinions on the matter, let us respectfully agree to disagree. 33 million was fantastic business for an untested player.

[tarie4]

4 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

 

I love how you've just assumed when I speak about plans there are no underlying objectives to them   

You have not provided the requested information. I have asked for it, but you have not given it to me. Please provide these underlying objectives.

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

We all want the best for Newcastle while we may have differing opinions on the matter, let us respectfully agree to disagree. 33 million was fantastic business for an untested player.

33m is just a fucking standard price for a prospect like Minteh. I guarantee we cannot find such a prospect in other leagues like Minteh that could just cost 33m. WTF is untested? He was playing in champions league last season

 

We better hope Minteh is a bust, or else this is going to be a fucking disaster 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Zero

[tarie4]

11 minutes ago, Zero said:

33m is just a fucking standard price for a prospect like Minteh. I guarantee we cannot find such a prospect in other leagues like Minteh that could just cost 33m. WTF is untested? He was playing in champions league last season

 

We better hope Minteh is a bust, or else this is going to be a fucking disaster 

 

 

 

Arda Güler cost Madrid 20 million plus add ons. I know who is the better prospect. Do you? Man City bought J. Alvarez for 14 million. I don't think Miniteh will start for Brighton this season. Let's wait and see.

Imagine Brighton paid 30 million for Pedro. Who would you start out wide if they both played for Newcastle? Pedro would be better than Almiron and Murphy, but Minteh wouldn't.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by tarie4

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’ve conceded ground. Given the circumstances it was the right thing to do.  
 

If you sell a highly rated 20 year old without a way to benefit from future success - it’s because you don’t have leverage and have been bent over. Or you extracted a premium on the transfer - which we didn’t, it wasn’t the highest bid. 

You have such a weird anti club agenda. Seemingly designed only to forward your own at its expense.

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

We all want the best for Newcastle while we may have differing opinions on the matter, let us respectfully agree to disagree. 33 million was fantastic business for an untested player.

 

I hope you're right and he turns out to be a flop. Personally I'd have preferred him being brought into the squad and challenging for that RW slot which is a big weak point for us IMO as I like the look of him a lot.

[The Prophet]

57 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

You have read our perspective from atleast 6 pple and haven't conceded any ground too.

 

Pot kettle comes to mind.

 

Again you misquote me,  I didn't say the club doesn't make plans. I said it sets clear objectives and then set strategic plans from those objectives. 

 

Clearly proves my point. I mean this is from someone who says Brighton bent is over in the Minteh deal. 

 

Tarie man, please just stroke his ego so we can put this latest tedious shite to bed. It's spilling into other threads and it's a fucking excruciating read. Stinking the place out doesn't cover it.

[KaKa]

3 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

Free transfer = high sign on fee + higher wages, but even so that is shocking if true.

 

I think Howe rates him really highly and it is again more evidence that he wasn't brought in as a squad player. 

 

I doubt he would have agreed to join as a squad player in the first place, and that salary if accurate is further evidence that he is seen as a first team player.

[tarie4]

16 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I hope you're right and he turns out to be a flop. Personally I'd have preferred him being brought into the squad and challenging for that RW slot which is a big weak point for us IMO as I like the look of him a lot.

I hope he doesn't fail. I wish him the best of luck in his career. I really want him to reach his full potential. I would never wish for a player to fail.

He has left, and we cannot change that. Let us accept it and move forward. Miniteh and the board that sold him have done so, and now it is time for us, the supporters, to do the same.

[tarie4]

14 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Tarie man, please just stroke his ego so we can put this latest tedious shite to bed. It's spilling into other threads and it's a fucking excruciating read. Stinking the place out doesn't cover it.

Very well. I will defer to your judgment sir.

[80]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I think Howe rates him really highly and it is again more evidence that he wasn't brought in as a squad player. 

 

I doubt he would have agreed to join as a squad player in the first place, and that salary if accurate is further evidence that he is seen as a first team player.

If true, we have to hope like hell Howe had good judgement on this one, mind - considering his injury history. £7.5m+ a year on another Wilson for half a decade would be painful.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, 80 said:

Strictly speaking, we don't know whether there are any clauses attached to the Minteh sale, do we?

 

I agree it feels unlikely that we do. But - from what I gleaned at the time - the Everton sale was set to go through, with Minteh being keen, until Brighton came in and our attention totally switched to them. So maybe the terms were preferable.

All reports suggest there’s nothing (beyond what fifa mandate). 

 

20 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I think Howe rates him really highly and it is again more evidence that he wasn't brought in as a squad player. 

 

I doubt he would have agreed to join as a squad player in the first place, and that salary if accurate is further evidence that he is seen as a first team player.

In a full strength team is he meant to start at LB for the duration of his 4-year contract?

 

I would be shocked if Kelly is earning 150k. Surely that would make him our highest paid defender. And a top 5 earner at the club. 
 

Thats more than any Arsenal defender other than Saliba. 

I refuse to believe it.  

 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

You have such a weird anti club agenda. Seemingly designed only to forward your own at its expense.

It’s not anti club.  I’m just calling it as I would for another club.  If Man U or Everton had to sell their best youngster, for a fee less than another club was offering, no buyback, no sell-on, in the position they most need - just to contribute towards a PSR shortfall we would all laugh and say it’s an example of poor management. 

[80]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

All reports suggest there’s nothing (beyond what fifa mandate). 

 

In a full strength team is he meant to start at LB for the duration of his 4-year contract?

 

I would be shocked if Kelly is earning 150k. Surely that would make him our highest paid defender. And a top 5 earner at the club. 
 

Thats more than any Arsenal defender other than Saliba. 

I refuse to believe it.  

 

Have there been any reports specifically commenting on it? From what I remember there's just an absence of it being mentioned, which isn't too conclusive. 

 

Re: Kelly, I'm always reluctant to give too much credit to these kinds of reports. Although, as you said recently, the sheer absence of talk about Targett interest makes you wonder if there's credence in him getting big money after all, even though I normally dismiss that as rubbish too.

[80]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s not anti club.  I’m just calling it as I would for another club.  If Man U or Everton had to sell their best youngster, for a fee less than another club was offering, no buyback, no sell-on, in the position they most need - just to contribute towards a PSR shortfall we would all laugh and say it’s an example of poor management. 

I wouldn't necessarily see it as bad management so much as a symptom of being in a very hard, artificially complex situation. The best plumbers still get other people's shit under their fingernails.

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, tarie4 said:

You have not provided the requested information. I have asked for it, but you have not given it to me. Please provide these underlying objectives.

Fuck off

[Unbelievable]

57 minutes ago, 80 said:

If true, we have to hope like hell Howe had good judgement on this one, mind - considering his injury history. £7.5m+ a year on another Wilson for half a decade would be painful.

If that source is correct we’re paying Targett and Kelly a combined 250k/week

[80]

4 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

If that source is correct we’re paying Targett and Kelly a combined 250k/week

So let us pray they are wrong...

[The College Dropout]

We desperately need to get rid of Targett.  

[TRon]

2 hours ago, tarie4 said:

I hope he doesn't fail. I wish him the best of luck in his career. I really want him to reach his full potential. I would never wish for a player to fail.

He has left, and we cannot change that. Let us accept it and move forward. Miniteh and the board that sold him have done so, and now it is time for us, the supporters, to do the same.

 

 

Well that all sounds very worthy, but I'd still rather see him fail. Would make me feel a lot better about trousering the £30m.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s not anti club.  I’m just calling it as I would for another club.  If Man U or Everton had to sell their best youngster, for a fee less than another club was offering, no buyback, no sell-on, in the position they most need - just to contribute towards a PSR shortfall we would all laugh and say it’s an example of poor management. 

Its not bad management. Its circumstance. We were probably a bad injury crisis and/or a hungover Manchester City team away from not having to sell 2 players to comply. But these are the decisions you make to try and change the future, there's not only 1 way. Follow it or its wrong. It's not a computer game. We invested to try and avoid relegation, that was successful. We invested to acheive Europe, that was successful. We invested to try and go as far as we could in 4 competitions. We struggled there, because of course. But if Tonali hadnt been suspended (please no one bang on about how this was a mistake not knowing), or if Isak hadnt been injured for so long, or if the ref hadnt given PSG a penalty that wasnt, we may well not be where we are now. All these things contribute. You speculate to accumulate, to grow and prosper. Things went against us, so we were forced to carry out the back up plan, sell players. Including a young, unproven player for a very good fee, far too good to turn down given what he'd acheived up to that point. It was, in fact, all very sensibly planned. And if you think we were frantically trying to work out what to do in the final days of the deadline I think youve fallen for media hyperbole. And weirdly all too eagre to discredit, despite it all being a tiny part of a much bigger story. 

And stop going on about the buy back and sell on, its beyond unrealistic. We wouldnt have got the fee for him we did with either of those, he didnt have the histry to back it up. And maybe we didnt want to buy him back, we're probably looking at better players. Just because you've read some stats on twitter and seen some highlights reels on youtube, doesnt mean the club should want to either retain him over pocketing the cash which has meant we could fill other positions with better, more proven players, or buy him back in the future. We dont want to, evidently. Which makes perfect sense. 

So I'll say it again, anti club. Because you're choosing to ignore a multitude of other facts and factors just to try and form a narrartive against them on some narrow minded conjecture. 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[Guest]

[gdm]

Amuses me the ones that can’t bare talking about minteh when he scores  now high horsing now that Murphy scored more