Wallsendmag Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, tgarve said: Anyone with eyes could see that Gordon was tiring also easy to be so clever in hindsight Most people where I was at were complaining about him going off at the time so that's not hindsight. At the time people were disappointed with the substitutions. He got it wrong and Klopp outsmarted him. Sometimes you've just got to accept that. Game changed massively in their favour. Barnes didn't have anywhere near the same impact that Gordon had and the general consensus when Tonali went off was that it should have been Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Elliottman said: Tonali was getting sloppy, probably fatigued, he gave the ball away 3 or 4 times in a short space of time, could see the sub a mile off. And Bruno wasn't? For me up until the time of Tonali going off he was still the best of the 3 midfielders. Thought it was the wrong decision at the time and I stand by that now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, tgarve said: Anyone with eyes could see that Gordon was tiring also easy to be so clever in hindsight Gordon didn't look tired to me, like. Every time he had the ball in the second half he was tearing Trent up. I don't believe for one second that he can't play more than an hour of a match, especially in a game that he was clearly so fired up for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Andy said: Gordon didn't look tired to me, like. Every time he had the ball in the second half he was tearing Trent up. I don't believe for one second that he can't play more than an hour of a match, especially in a game that he was clearly so fired up for. It's not like we'd played a lung busting game in the second half either. Plenty left in his tank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magvicar Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Losing to Liverpool in the manner we did destroys you but it's pointless blaming Eddie Howe for bad substitutions. He made them for a reason and generally his reasoning comes to fruition. Gordon worked his socks off and was arguably our best player but remember he was up against Trent who is no slouch and Gordon roasted him for a fair mount of the game and then started to tire. You could see that when he was cutting inside instead of taking him outside. Tonali was also tiring and even though you can argue both players could easily make the 90 minutes, you have to look at two things. Tiredness causes injury and bad decisions, so I'm sure Eddie will have seen this potential and simply refreshed everything, knowing Liverpool were going to go into Kamikaze mode offensively to get an equaliser. We got done by a good goal and another that was simply down to a massive lucky break. We had no luck in that department. The biggest criticism I have for Howe is the way we actually sat back and allowed Liverpool to play. But as much as 10 men seems a tasty proposition, it actually ignited Liverpool and gave them a second wind, and we simply allowed them to use their pace against our much slower back line. This stuff happens and now and again even the best teams get done over. It's hard to take because it's Liverpool and Klopp and the fact we got robbed at their place and they simply robbed us at ours. I honestly thought Barnes looked tired when he came on. He actually didn't look like he had much in him and that shocked me. But let's think of this. How many times have fans slated Eddie Howe for leaving players on and they get injured or done when they're a bit fatigued in the game and the crying out's been why didn't you make some subs, you could see he was flagging/carrying a knock...etc. The good thing about this game is, it's another massive learning curve for Eddie and remember he is always learning, and by learning (which he will certainly do) it can only benefit us in the longer term. Sometimes a good old wake up call is needed and this one certainly is that. Just remember bad decisions will always be made and also good decisions in terms of line-up and subs. We are still massively in transition and only 3 games into a season having played 3 top teams. As it stands it's one great game (Villa) and one game of too much respect (away to Man City) and another game of too much complacency after a great first half against Liverpool. It's not the end of our season and sometimes a good old kick up the arse is just the tonic. The interesting bit will be in what Eddie puts out against Brighton and how we perform. I'm typing this in gutted mode but typing it after getting the frustration out of my head after the game, giving me better time to reflect. I'm in a better place this morning compared to last night. There's going to be a lot of hits and misses this season for just about all clubs, so our chinning is about us getting back up and ensuring we don't fall flat on the canvas and KO our season, which I don't think will be the case. Aye it's a long post but I thought I'd get it all in. Up the mags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 He was great yesterday and on the face of it, it was a mistake to take him off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Gallowgate Toon said: I would've kept him but he was the worst of the 3 on the ball, like, which was a smaller contributing factor to our waning control. Worst pass completion rate by a margin and it's not like he was consistently attempting really difficult ones either. But the main difference between him and Longstaff is off the ball. Longstaff is very hard working but not exactly disciplined, he gets caught in bad spots quite often and has to make lung-busting recovery runs. Tonali is much more thoughtful and is a better athlete for when we're on the turn. Their first goal comes from Jota doing what Foden did last weekend, drifting inside. Feel like if Tonali is there and that doesn't happen the same way. Wild how many simple passes he gave away, I'm chalking it up to the pace of the league catching him out slightly, he certainly didn't do that for Milan. Off the ball though, yeah he's near perfect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: Wild how many simple passes he gave away, I'm chalking it up to the pace of the league catching him out slightly, he certainly didn't do that for Milan. Off the ball though, yeah he's near perfect I think there was a moment where Tonali had some passes with Bruno then flicked it over someone's head to nobody. Feel like that was the moment Howe decided it was time to switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Tonali is trying to play quickly though its often 1 touch stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: Wild how many simple passes he gave away, I'm chalking it up to the pace of the league catching him out slightly, he certainly didn't do that for Milan. Off the ball though, yeah he's near perfect I didn’t notice this at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I didn’t notice this at all He did misplace a few passes though, sometimes after doing great work in tight spaces to retain possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palestoon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Kanji said: Tonali is trying to play quickly though its often 1 touch stuff. Yep, seems like he's on another wavelength then the rest of the team. There are times I'm pleading with him to hold it and turn and look for a forward pass. Think as he gets more comfortable he'll be more adventurous. He definitely has the ability to pick incisive passes into the final third Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Tonali has always been about taking high risk passes (with low success rates) in the opposition half and as a result has a very low pass completion stat in this area from his time in Milan. That is the type of player he is. His strength is carrying the ball upfield rather than passing it, that is why Howe replaces him with Longstaff. He is not a Bruno or a Maddison type player (nor is like Prlo which is the lazy comparison). Edited August 28, 2023 by CaliMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 There was one pass he played that was a simple straight forward pass for Bruno, but it was Bruno who misread it and possession was given away. Don't think it's anything to do with Tonali not used to the pace of the game here but more to getting that click or being on the same wavelength with his teammates that is taking a bit of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Where's the gif of him dancing past LFC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Not sure on that like. Thought maybe Botman or Schar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I hope he gets a warm reception at the San Siro. Might be rough for him if he doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Better know where yer loyalties lie Sandro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Revenge is a dish best served with spaghetti. Take no prisoners on your return Sandro. Destroy them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, TRon said: Revenge is a dish best served with spaghetti. Take no prisoners on your return Sandro. Destroy them all. Let them see what they are missing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, PauloGeordio said: Let them see what they are missing! A goal rammed in off the volley like he did on his debut would be the way to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Revenge is a dish best served with spaghetti. Take no prisoners on your return Sandro. Destroy them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 He should treat them all to 'spoons when they come over here. That'll completely throw them off their game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I hope he gets a warm reception at the San Siro. Might be rough for him if he doesn't. Surely they won’t have turned on him to a vicious degree. He was a Bandiera for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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