Guest Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 When he went off we had a 5 minute spell where we won a couple of corners and that was it. We were even worse after the substitutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) He was surrounded by a couple of Brighton players, think that was the reason for being hesitant about selling himself going for the block. Looking at the rest of his game I think it’s safe to say it’s not about giving a shit atleast. Edited September 3, 2023 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sempiternal said: Lol, they absolutely will be pulling him up on that in analysis. But go off, king ?. I am employed in professional football, unlike you though. Howay then, what do you do & how do you know he isn't "employed in professional football" ? Sports science, Analyst, Coach, Cone putter outer, Masseur ? Edited September 3, 2023 by RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I think he’s getting a bit of unnecessary stick. He’s a young lad in the hardest league in the world,he’s going to need time to get up to speed. He’s only played 4 prem games and been subbed off in all of them. Give him time I’m sure he’ll be one of our best players this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Myleftboot said: I think he’s getting a bit of unnecessary stick. He’s a young lad in the hardest league in the world,he’s going to need time to get up to speed. He’s only played 4 prem games and been subbed off in all of them. Give him time I’m sure he’ll be one of our best players this season. What’s unnecessary stick? People are actually being kind to him and giving him grace. The clearance people are giving so much grace. It looked like a lazy half asses attempt but everyone is giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was simply a Miskick and a mistake. We are saying the lack of effort and application to block the shot is unacceptable. People make mistakes in every walk of life that’s fine. But a lack of effort and desire deserves to be called out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I watched the Gallowgate Shots lads last night absolutely lay into others and saying Tonali shouldn't be taken off. While I'd like to also see him stay on, his output since Villa just hasn't been that good while still having had some decent moments. Looking at his numbers, you can see why he's maybe not seeing games out. Stats aren't the only evidence, it's a small sample size and he's had some very tough first fixtures for his adaptation period, but a few things are interesting: 1. I presume this is tactical but the strongest spots on his heatmap to date has been in an RB spot and RCM. He has very few touches anywhere other than on the right. This'd be fine if his role was fixed but we think he's meant to be rotating with Joelinton/Bruno. 2. Pass completion in the opposition half has been very low at 70%. Far lower than both Joelinton and Bruno at 80%. 3. Defensively, his output has been minimal compared to the Brazilians for interceptions, tackles, ball recoveries, and duels. Again, maybe tactical but just not involved enough here. He's also behind Longstaff 22/23 on some of those stats too. He has obvious class and will be a monstrous signing for us in time. There are already positive signs of upgrade in chance creation and dribbling etc. but we know Howe expects midfielders to put in dirty work as a bare minimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 If he’s meant to be rotating with Joe and Bruno…. Why do they never rotate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Is he not pushing forward with trips seeming to be staying back nowadays. To me it seems like joelinton is crippling us with our shape as he's obviously not fit so can't help gordon out when going forward. And in turn bruno doesn't have an out ball when receiving it. Basically a passenger at the moment might aswell play Anderson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Aye, at times he's provided width on the right while Trippier has tucked in to support Bruno. No idea if it's an attempt to make us less predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Magpie Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 As far as I can see he reads the game very well, but I am no analyst. He is struggling a little, perhaps, with the pace of our league and needs more time, but every fucker on the pitch suffered under the passing triangles of Brighton in that game. They were excellent, and maybe we were lacking in more than just midfield. Personally I thought Burn had a shocker. From memory that is four games now where I've been a bit dismayed that Eddie has not changed something that clearly needed changing. Last thing I want to do is criticise Eddie Howe as I think he is brilliant. But there comes a time you need to be more pragmatic with the need of three points paramount. The system cannot be infallible, no system is, it needs the ability to be adaptable beyond changing a few players in like for like roles - or near enough like for like. If we had sat back a bit, and not been so expansive, just keeping runners forward I think it would have been a different game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Against brighton I'd of hauled off Targett and joelinton for hall and Anderson. Give it 15 minutes in the second half see if things improved. I don't like this disrupt the middle three subs howe makes. By hauling off joelinton and arguably our best player tonali you lose that pace and quality on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I watched a youtube video who had him down as getting £210k a week - surely not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 50 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: If he’s meant to be rotating with Joe and Bruno…. Why do they never rotate? Bruno has burst up the right a few times in those games and Tonali has switched in. Did it well against Villa but not others. Bruno's heatmap is actually mad compared to Joe and Tonali. He has so much responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 So the first goal.. yeah it was a bit of a lazy lunge for the ball and he turned away from the shot. But the initial lunge he was never getting that ball with the bounce of it. Second part is harder to defend. But first goal was a comedy of errors.. the way Trippier threw himself to the ground didn’t help either. He always seems to get a pass when others don’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, duo said: I watched a youtube video who had him down as getting £210k a week - surely not? That's the widely reported figure and 90k more than the next best paid (Bruno/Trippier/Isak). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I can't find a single report that says he's on that. Romano reported it at 7+2 million euros. So around 100k going up to 140k including bonuses. Gazzetta reported it at a similar 8 million euros flat. Where is the report of 210k a week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 It's off some website that people seem to take for gospel. Even has Targett on £100k for some reason. I very much doubt we've broken our wage structure and offered Tonali 200k+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 His minutes are possibly down to the load the strength & conditioning team are recommending until he’s up to Howe levels of fitness and endurance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: If he’s meant to be rotating with Joe and Bruno…. Why do they never rotate? Joelinton plays left side, not sure how he would rotate with him in the current formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 https://theathletic.com/4835518/2023/09/06/newcastle-midfield-problem?source=user-shared-article The headline is clickbaity, but this is a decent analysis, particularly about how we're using Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: https://theathletic.com/4835518/2023/09/06/newcastle-midfield-problem?source=user-shared-article The headline is clickbaity, but this is a decent analysis, particularly about how we're using Tonali. Yeh it's a good article. If our intensity is off, everything is off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Played football tonight with lots of other team’s fans (spurs, Chelsea, arsenal, man united mainly). They all think Tonali is absolutely shite and lazy. He’s played 4 games FFS, against 4 of the best teams in the league. In his first ever season away from Italy. Wankers, all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 He walks into all 4 of those teams funnily enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 The coward doesn't want to play in Milan does he? Get him hounded out with Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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