Sandro Tonali

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

3 seasons @ £12m a season leaves £24m if you’re amortising over 5 years. To clear £70m you’re going to need £95m-£100m.

 

I think that's reasonable.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Hang on, why are people getting het up over £70m, has that actually been reported as the potential fee anywhere?

[The College Dropout]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Spurs had sold Adebayor, Bertbatov, Bale, Modric, Walker, etc to bigger clubs as they grew the club.  All were gone by the time they were reaching the European Cup Final.

Adebayor is a weird inclusion here.

 

The story of Spurs is incomplete without mentioning they spawned arguably the greatest ever striker from England after selling Bale. That changed everything.

 

They did do well to keep getting better when selling Berbatov, Carrick & Modric but that's largely because they still had blue-chip players on the team. Berbatov was at Spurs when Carrick left. Modric signed the summer Berbatov left. Bale was there when Modric left. Kane emerges by the end of the season after Bale is sold.

 

We already failed. We sold Isak, nobody stepped up. We've now also sold Gordon. We've broken the Spurs pattern already. 

[nufc123]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

Hang on, why are people getting het up over £70m

Because some say they will do the deal for that fee. 

[STM]

1 minute ago, Alberto2005 said:

He's never worth 50m more, if Anderson is £120m we should be getting £90m minimum.

 

They are worth what people will pay. Its more than possibly that Forest get City to pay over the odds and Spurs end up paying under the odds.

 

If there are more clubs in for Tonali, the price goes up. I suspect there is a queue for Anderson and Forest know it.

[KaKa]

Just now, Deuce said:

There’s not a player in the world who plays at their best without a strong supporting cast.

 

Oh it's everyone else's fault now is it. Everything has to be perfect for precious Tonali to pass the ball to a team mate consistently, and not go walkabout and leave gaps in the midfield.

 

Sorry, I've seen enough now. I'm not buying it. So lets see what he does elsewhere and we'll have a better idea then. Maybe I'll be wrong, but ultimately for what he's been doing at Newcastle, I'm taking the money and running.

[macphisto]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Spurs had sold Adebayor, Bertbatov, Bale, Modric, Walker, etc to bigger clubs as they grew the club.  All were gone by the time they were reaching the European Cup Final.

And individually not one of their replacements turned out to be a better player than the ones you quote.

 

Spurs were extremely fortunate that they had a generational talent come through in Kane that had nothing to do with their selling and buying strategy.

 

Take away Kane and where would they have been? 

 

Also worth noting that even during golden period they still didn't win anything.

 

 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Hang on, why are people getting het up over £70m, has that actually been reported as the potential fee anywhere?

 

No it hasn't 

[Holmesy]

Italian manager, London location (which has a huge amount of pull for continental players) and guaranteed first-team football playing what is probably going to be quite an attractive style. I can see why he would be interested.
It'd be a massive shame to lose him but we've just got to hope we've got a plan in place if he does go. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

Thats fine but surely there are sides out there that are vulnerable to us? Domestically?

 

We got bent over a barrel for Elanga and Wissa, couldnt do deals for a Wolves striker or Guehi from Palace the year before.

 

When Staveley was here we showed muscle and ambition, going after players like Gordon etc.

 

My real worry is we go down the route of signing cheap foreign players and shopping in the same market as Palace, Bournemouth and Brentford.

 

We should be in the same market as Villa and Spurs.

We have higher ceiling than Palace & co.

 

Lower ceiling than Spurs but I guess similar markets. Spurs haven't been smart in the transfer market for a long time mind, They could've signed all of our best players when we bought them btu decided to do somethign else each time. Think they signed Solanke or Richarlison when we signed Isak for example.

[sanyi75]

12 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

Until we bridge the revenue gap between us and the big 6 we are always going to be very vulnerable to losing our best players to teams either established at the top trophy wise (Liverpool, City) or can simply pay more than we can (Spurs). Same for any team not in that little group.
 

 

 

We need to improve more in scouting players, there are a lot of good players, we need to find them. I don't see any other way at the moment, a lot of work needs to be put into this, as well as the training of the youth. If we look at Miley for example, he runs his soul out for a much lower weekly salary than a player bought much more expensively.

[STM]

Also Spurs only got better financially, they are an absolute train wreck of a footballing project. As TCD says, they had the best striker in a generation in their academy, otherwise theyd be nowhere. 

 

You dont get anywhere selling your best players, unless you replace them with similar quality.

 

If we sell Sandro for 80m and get 2 CMs in that have real quality and potential, fine. If we sell Sandro and replace him with one good player, we might as well not bother. Thats going sideways.

 

For example, Sandro out, MGW and Hackney in and im listening. Thats a net positive for the squad. Im not interested in finance, im in interested in what they do with it.

[KaKa]

The most despicable thing about all of his and his people's carrying on is the optics it is continuing to perpetuate around Newcastle.

 

Most of the rhetoric now around all of this is that no one wants to be at Newcastle. Continuing on from the bullshit last summer. It's really fucking toxic.

 

The club could really do with paying more attention to the kinds of players they are bringing in, and the people they have managing them, instead of just talking about it.

[Dr.Spaceman]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

No it hasn't 

 

Classic N-O, never change 

[macphisto]

20 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I think its a case of what choice do we have, we are restricted at every turn in terms of the rules but also what players will get a fee big enough to move the project forward. We are also not 1 or 2 players away from achieving anything we are now back to needing major surgery and future surgery isn't that far away as older players get even older. 

 

If we needed 1 or 2 in and could resist and keep the squad together then Tonali going massively rocks the boat but we would all agree we need way more than that, uncertainty on flops of last season being able to have a much better second season and the club getting "back on track". 

 

The ship has sailed with the perfect storm of last season big player goes despite gaining champions league qualification, poor league performance has gotten us out of europe next season, less income and the money from not buying for a few seasons and the rat fee all being spent. 

 

 

To both you and @Superbmac I guess it just all goes back to how much you think PIF can push back against PSR? Personally, I think there are ways around it but PIF really don't want to put the money in. 

 

That's just a personal view and one we'd never know for certain either way.

[STM]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We have higher ceiling than Palace & co.

 

Lower ceiling than Spurs but I guess similar markets. Spurs haven't been smart in the transfer market for a long time mind, They could've signed all of our best players when we bought them btu decided to do somethign else each time. Think they signed Solanke or Richarlison when we signed Isak for example.

 

My point wasnt about where we are but about what our intentions are. Which market are we attempting to shop in.

 

Last year we showed ambition and failed by missing out on dozens of targets. The answer to that isnt to do away with ambition, just be a bit smarter with how and who we target.

[nufc123]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 im in interested in what they do with it.

Time to deliver Mr. Wilson.

[Menace]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

The most despicable thing about all of his and his people's carrying on is the optics it is continuing to perpetuate around Newcastle.

 

Most of the rhetoric now around all of this is that no one wants to be at Newcastle. Continuing on from the bullshit last summer. It's really fucking toxic.

 

The club could really do with paying more attention to the kinds of players they are bringing in, and the people they have managing them, instead of just talking about it.

 

"no dickhead rule"

 

We evidently have hired plenty of dickheads last few years.

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, sanyi75 said:

The end of the 2024/25 season was very bad, from the Isak issue to the transfers, it was not handled professionally. This is what Villa did not do. Now if Emery shuffles the cards wisely, they can permanently level up. For us now, in the current situation, it is a much bigger task, of course it is not impossible but difficult. Now we can't make any mistakes, or the midfield will remain.

Villa seem averse to signing and playing younger players with high potential bar the obvious guy. Succesfully doing that will level them up. But whenever they get the opportunity they prefer more established players on massive wages.

 

8 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

 

Project or no project, players want to earn what they think they're worth, Gordon has an inflated view of himself at the best of times anyway, but the likes of Tonali, Bruno, Isak, Hall, Livramento, as soon as they start performing above their wage packet will have one eye on the door. The same is true in any walk of life, you want to get paid what you think you're worth and right now we have a ceiling to that, so anyone hitting that ceiling is going to start looking where they can go to get paid what they believe they're worth.

 

Thats the bottom line, europe, no europe, top 4 finish, bottom 4 finish, it doesn't matter, Spurs have the ear of one of our best players despite the fact the wheels, axels and most of the body work has come of their project, Man Yoo last summer took some of our preferred targets away from us, despite finishing at the bottom end of the table and no europe.

 

The only way you keep top talent is if you pay top wages and we can't, there's no one to blame for that other than the league itself and its masters, it's rigged to be this way.

We are saying the same thing really. Salary is a huge element of a "project".

 

Arsenal have kept their best players as they've gone from 8th to Champions over like 5 seasons.

 

The point where I differ is I think if a player believes in a project he might take 5-15% less at the club than he might get elsewhere. But that also requires fairly early renewals. Isak 2024 contract wouldn't have been crazy but that would've given faith in the project.

 

Also no new training ground, stadium, revolving door of execs and leadership it all undermines the project. Arsenl have the Kroenke son close to the action. It was Edu for a number of years now Berta. Their actions have aligned with their statements.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Good on us for being more Brighton/bournemouth. 

[Dokko]

As if he's going to spuds for £70m. 😂

 

[STM]

Im really worried that people look at the Woltemade signing and think "yeah let's not do that again", when im not sure that's the lesson to be learned.

 

At least with Woltemade we went after a highly rated young European striker and put our balls on the table. It might not work, granted, but at least we showed some metal in the transfer market. We shouldn't stop going after these players, we just need to make sure they are the right fit.

 

Im really worried that we are going to sideline ambition. Tonali leaving might be indicative of that.

 

[macphisto]

23 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I wonder if the club will start telling the truth about the entire project or will they keep saying the aim is to be champions by 2030 or if that date just keeps getting pushed back.

They only have another season, at most, where they can get away with it. In a year's time we'll almost be at the start of the 27/28 season.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

My point wasnt about where we are but about what our intentions are. Which market are we attempting to shop in.

 

Last year we showed ambition and failed by missing out on dozens of targets. The answer to that isnt to do away with ambition, just be a bit smarter with how and who we target.

Last year was poor targeting. It was a shitshow.

 

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

The most despicable thing about all of his and his people's carrying on is the optics it is continuing to perpetuate around Newcastle.

 

Most of the rhetoric now around all of this is that no one wants to be at Newcastle. Continuing on from the bullshit last summer. It's really fucking toxic.

 

The club could really do with paying more attention to the kinds of players they are bringing in, and the people they have managing them, instead of just talking about it.

If it was 1 player you can blame the player. When it's multiple - there's something amiss at the club.

 

The players aren't idiots. They don't believe in the project and a lot of them are underpaid. Of course, they would be trying to leave.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Last year was poor targeting. It was a shitshow.

 

If it was 1 player you can blame the player. When it's multiple - there's something amiss at the club.

 

The players aren't idiots. They don't believe in the project and a lot of them are underpaid. Of course, they would be trying to leave.

Who's underpaid? Only the cartel clubs pay higher than us