Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: He may have done nothing in that game but he's done lots of things in many others, I don't think you can judge a performance against one side and translate it 1-to-1 to another. Obviously you could have won like, but Man City were dominant in the second half of the season. The treble seemed inevitable. Okay, you think it was inevitable, but are you going to pretend like Pep hasn't crashed-and-burned with City, with great teams, constantly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: @Milanistahas this offer been reported at all by any of your tier1? Horncastle certainly isn’t a tier1 source for us. I wonder if this will be like the Barella situation whereby we’ve asked about the player and the situation is hyped up and amplified by the media. Since our takeover we are a much tighter ship and generally don’t make offers for players who haven’t given us some form of go ahead. Not yet, no. But Horncastle is a very serious journalist. I respect his work. Barella situation I'm unfamiliar with, but everyone knows that Inter need to sell and they need to sell high. Inter paid like 45m for Barella, so the idea they'd sell a top-class midfielder for 50m is laughable, even in their position. I don't doubt that Newcastle bid, it's entirely possible. The offer is... very low. But if you do run a tight ship, then... my theory is that our owners are leaking it, so that they can seem magnanimous about turning down an "evil EPL offer" as they try to justify firing Maldini because our owner has an ego problem and now wants to prove Maldini wrong about ambitions and winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Milanista said: It really is a hot-take though. He has not achieved the maximum at Milan. Our goals are to win multiple league titles, and multiple Champions League titles. We just extended Rafa Leao, who stated that he's at Milan to win... the CL. I honestly think many of you overrate the appeal of the EPL, first of all. He's a boyhood Milan fan, this is his dream, and he already has made history at Milan, and he's a kid... he has many years to do more at Milan. Even though he's not from our academy, he's treated like one of the players who is from our academy, players like Baresi, Albertini, Maldini, Costacurta, etc. I don't want to be rude to Newcastle, but none of us are looking at our semi-final run as... a success. Most look at it as a failure. Sure, it's a nice stepping stone. But the team wants to win the CL, not be like Tottenham. If you told me you saw Milan winning Serie A before we won it, and that you thought we could get to the semi-final, then sure, maybe I'd take your "I don't see Milan getting to the final" line more seriously. But we are building in a way that doesn't grab attention. No one cared about Maignan before we bought him, or Leao, or Theo, or even Tomori. Milan is being built differently, smartly. But our goals are the same. To win. Tonali is like Shearer, he's from this area, he loves this team, and while he didn't come to Milan at the same point of his career as Shearer did when going to Newcastle, but there's no way Shearer was going to leave Newcastle... so why would Tonali leave? I think Leao is going to have a long wait to win the CL. He might (and should) win multiple Serie As. I'd be very surprised if you get to the last 4 of the CL in the next 5 years, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Milanista said: Not yet, no. But Horncastle is a very serious journalist. I respect his work. Barella situation I'm unfamiliar with, but everyone knows that Inter need to sell and they need to sell high. Inter paid like 45m for Barella, so the idea they'd sell a top-class midfielder for 50m is laughable, even in their position. I don't doubt that Newcastle bid, it's entirely possible. The offer is... very low. But if you do run a tight ship, then... my theory is that our owners are leaking it, so that they can seem magnanimous about turning down an "evil EPL offer" as they try to justify firing Maldini because our owner has an ego problem and now wants to prove Maldini wrong about ambitions and winning. We do, the only player we’ve tested the water with in this manner is Maddison but even then, our offers were both fair and made sense (player contract expiring and his club struggling). The reported approaches for both Tonali and Barella don’t make much sense so I expect the leaks are incomplete and driven by certain agendas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I think Leao is going to have a long wait to win the CL. He might (and should) win multiple Serie As. I'd be very surprised if you get to the last 4 of the CL in the next 5 years, though. Lol, okay. I think you underestimate Milan, but that's pretty typical of EPL fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Milanista said: Lol, okay. I think you underestimate Milan, but that's pretty typical of EPL fans. Since Inter won it in 2010, Italian teams in the last 4. Juventus - 3 times Inter - 1 time Milan - 1 time Roma - 1 time Of the last 52 Champions League Semi-Finalists, 6 have been Italian teams. Sorry if I'm under-estimating still. Edited June 21, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Since Inter won it in 2010, Italian teams in the last 4. Juventus - 2 times Inter - 1 time Milan - 1 time Roma - 1 time Of the last 52 Champions League Semi-Finals, 5 have been Italian teams. Sorry if I'm under-estimating still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Milan are undoubtedly a huge club like, and I find the talk of “no chance of winning” a bit off - who would’ve bet on that Inter side making the final this year? With a kind draw, a bit of luck and a good day on the final, most of the teams in the CL have a chance of winning it. Would love this guy, but can’t see it - there is absolutely more he could do in Milan before needing to leave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The chap has an over inflated ego anything Milan related. Was convincing us that if Maldini wanted Botman he would've gone there also. No disrespect to you but AC Milan isn't what it was 10-15 years ago. The serie a is a dead league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, r0cafella said: We do, the only player we’ve tested the water with in this manner is Maddison but even then, our offers were both fair and made sense (player contract expiring and his club struggling). The reported approaches for both Tonali and Barella don’t make much sense so I expect the leaks are incomplete and driven by certain agendas. Just now, Pietro Mazzara from MilanNews (a good source, but Mazzara is not our top guy, that is Vitiello he's as close to official as you can get, although Longo and Moretto are moving up in the world) he is reporting on a "monster offer" from Newcastle to Tonali. He says that Newcastle is offering to double his salary and that Milan will only open negotiations if the player is interested--i.e. they don't want or need to sell. He also reports that if Tonali is interested, Milan will need more than 60m to even consider. If Tonali wants to stay, Milan will not entertain offers. Before you get too excited, this sounds very... soap opera-y (as is typical) and designed to show how magnanimous the owners are and how Tonali is turning down Newcastle to stay at Milan. Maybe I'm wrong? Midfield is an area we need to improve upon due to Bennacer's knee surgery, and we also have a problem with homegrown rules, so... I find the idea of a sale of Tonali to be unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Since Inter won it in 2010, Italian teams in the last 4. Juventus - 3 times Inter - 1 time Milan - 1 time Roma - 1 time Of the last 52 Champions League Semi-Finals, 6 have been Italian teams. Sorry if I'm under-estimating still. Well you can prove anything with facts can't you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Since Inter won it in 2010, Italian teams in the last 4. Juventus - 3 times Inter - 1 time Milan - 1 time Roma - 1 time Of the last 52 Champions League Semi-Finals, 6 have been Italian teams. Sorry if I'm under-estimating still. And this year there was an Italian team in every European final possible. Two Italian teams in the semi-finals of both the CL and EL. These things go in cycles. I also don't even care about Serie A teams, lol. Milan have won more CL titles than Inter and Juve combined, so, it's not like their relative performance means much to me. Milan has been absent for most of that time period, and it's incredible how fast it took us to get back to the CL after finally having some competent management for the first time in a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I really like Tonali but he’s not on the same level as Rice, currently. I’m not sure what it is with Italian fans but I always see a lot of bitterness from them towards English football. It’s strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanista Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Menace said: The chap has an over inflated ego anything Milan related. Was convincing us that if Maldini wanted Botman he would've gone there also. No disrespect to you but AC Milan isn't what it was 10-15 years ago. The serie a is a dead league. Having confidence in my team is over-inflated ego? I never wanted Botman, so I was happy we didn't get him. He's a great player for your system, I don't think he would have worked as well for ours. Milan is on the rise, I mean... if you think I was this confident in 2018... lol, I wasn't. But... there's a difference between being an optimistic person and having a reason to be optimistic. Currently, I think our team is building back to where we were, with proper management. I mean, we don't even own our own stadium. The amount of space we have to grow commercially... is huge. So, I'd like to keep my interactions here as cordial as possible, and I'd like to refrain from name-calling, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Knows nothing absolutely convinced of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Milanista said: And this year there was an Italian team in every European final possible. And lost them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 This thread will be crazy with quoted posts if this guy actually signs. I cannot wait for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Andy84 said: Knows nothing absolutely convinced of it Correct, flapping about in the wake of the original story! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, Milanista said: Lol, okay. I think you underestimate Milan, but that's pretty typical of EPL fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Milanista said: I would be shocked if they sold Tonali. Inter need money, Milan don't. If you wanted an Italian midfielder, Frattesi would be far cheaper than both of them. Inter are expected to sell big parts of their team this year, due to their poor financial state. Cheers. Unlike the Barella story, there's some good sources reporting this. Is he looking for a new deal? I don't think we'd bid without encouragement from somewhere. Generally we like buy in from the player, so perhaps his agent is playing games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Andy84 said: Knows nothing absolutely convinced of it He doesn't have a clue. Why wait til a story breaks to admit we have interest? If he already knew he'd have already mentioned it in one of his shite articles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jack27 said: Absolutely no way we've offered him €3 million a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Milanista said: So, I'd like to keep my interactions here as cordial as possible, and I'd like to refrain from name-calling, please Mag! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Absolutely no way we've offered him €3 million a year. It’s only 50k per week, if he’s on 3m per year and we’ve offered double that puts him in line with our top earners which is what I’d expect. If the numbers are true it makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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