Menace Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:06, TheBrownBottle said: It’s odd unless you’ve seen us play with Tonali at RCM If the lad is going to start we’d need to change the way we play. Any signs of Howe doing that so far? My suspicion at this point is either Howe or Tonali is not here next season. Expand I suspect you are right. I'd be fuming to leave my boyhood club and get benched by Sean Longstaff. For those saying that he needs time to settle in - he's had a year in and around the team, got to learn the language and play with these players every day in training drills - what more does he need? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:28, Likelylad said: Yet he’s playing well for Italy and had a cracking game in the middle against Chelsea in the cup. Howe needs to find a way to make it work tbh. Expand Sell Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 This is stupid, Hope reckons that Howe doesn't think they can start together. Bruno is always going to start, so what Tonali is always just going to be a sub? Howe needs to find a way to make this work, and he hasn't tried every avenue yet. He needs to try Tonali at 6 and Bruno further forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:34, Alberto2005 said: This is stupid, Hope reckons that Howe doesn't think they can start together. Bruno is always going to start, so what Tonali is always just going to be a sub? Howe needs to find a way to make this work, and he hasn't tried every avenue yet. He needs to try Tonali at 6 and Bruno further forward. Expand Definitely this. Bruno isn't a DM, he's wasted there. Tonali seems more versatile and could do the 6 role to allow Bruno to be more attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Not like Hope to stir up shite really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:30, Menace said: I suspect you are right. I'd be fuming to leave my boyhood club and get benched by Sean Longstaff. For those saying that he needs time to settle in - he's had a year in and around the team, got to learn the language and play with these players every day in training drills - what more does he need? Expand 100%, sadly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:36, hakka said: Definitely this. Bruno isn't a DM, he's wasted there. Tonali seems more versatile and could do the 6 role to allow Bruno to be more attacking. Expand Bruno has basically played his entire career there. He played there for Lyon when we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 He’s not really a year in though, he’s been banned for most of the time he’s been here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:34, Alberto2005 said: This is stupid, Hope reckons that Howe doesn't think they can start together. Bruno is always going to start, so what Tonali is always just going to be a sub? Howe needs to find a way to make this work, and he hasn't tried every avenue yet. He needs to try Tonali at 6 and Bruno further forward. Expand Unless Hope can read minds I don’t see where he’s getting that information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:16, AyeDubbleYoo said: He’s not really a year in though, he’s been banned for most of the time he’s been here. Expand Settling in periods are usually related to moving to a new country / area. He’s been here long enough to settle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 He is settled. He just isn’t being played for some reason which I think is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:15, TheBrownBottle said: Bruno has basically played his entire career there. He played there for Lyon when we signed him. Expand Playing playing DM in France is totally different kettle of fish to PL. He's too slow and not big enough. His tackles and interceptions isn't the the best for. DM either. He's excellent at nicking the ball and close control, our best attacking plays is him opposition half trying to pick a pass through a low block. He's only one that can do it at a different level. Tonali feels quicker and stronger, and he has played that role before. I'd rather we tried Tonali as 6 and Bruno further forward than Longstaff on and Tonali bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) On 29/11/2024 at 20:30, hakka said: Playing playing DM in France is totally different kettle of fish to PL. He's too slow and not big enough. His tackles and interceptions isn't the the best for. DM either. He's excellent at nicking the ball and close control, our best attacking plays is him opposition half trying to pick a pass through a low block. He's only one that can do it at a different level. Tonali feels quicker and stronger, and he has played that role before. I'd rather we tried Tonali as 6 and Bruno further forward than Longstaff on and Tonali bench. Expand I’d play him further forward, but that’s not the same as him not being a ‘6’. Agree that the solution is to either play Bruno further forward or to try Bruno and Tonali together in what the kids call a ‘double pivot’. The problem with the ‘double pivot’ is that we don’t have a ‘10’, so a 4-2-3-1 is out. And I don’t think Bruno and Tonali can be the midfield in a 4-4-2 Edited November 29 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:35, TheBrownBottle said: I’d play him further forward, but that’s not the same as him not being a ‘6’. Agree that the solution is to either play Bruno further forward or to try Bruno and Tonali together in what the kids call a ‘double pivot’. The problem with the ‘double pivot’ is that we don’t have a ‘10’, so a 4-2-3-1 is out. And I don’t think Bruno and Tonali can be the midfield in a 4-4-2 Expand Yeah agree double pivot isn't suited to us. I'm open minded on where Bruno sits in midfield and helping, as long as it's with more attacking focus and further away than in front of our back 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:35, TheBrownBottle said: The problem with the ‘double pivot’ is that we don’t have a ‘10’ Expand We do, but he’s only played a few minutes this season and most on here are begging to sell him in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:46, cubaricho said: We do, but he’s only played a few minutes this season and most on here are begging to sell him in January. Expand Genuinely no idea who you’re referring to?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:49, Lush Vlad said: Genuinely no idea who you’re referring to?! Expand Miggy’s preferred/main position before Rafa changed it was as a 10. He was really good there before he came to the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:50, cubaricho said: Miggy’s preferred/main position before Rafa changed it was as a 10. He was really good there before he came to the PL. Expand he isn’t good enough to play 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:50, cubaricho said: Miggy’s preferred/main position before Rafa changed it was as a 10. He was really good there before he came to the PL. Expand The key is in your last paragraph. Like fuck could he do a job as a 10 in this league. Even if he did look lively playing behind Rondon with Perez. I might be wrong, but didn’t he play more as a second striker type for Atlanta? Can’t see him in a more technical role as a 10. His assist numbers are diabolical (12 in 216) playing in a front 3 where he can drift infield. His passing, vision, quickness of thought, touch. All massively lacking. Bit of a moot point. As it seems like Howe no longer fancies him in the side and the club have been trying to peddle him for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) On 29/11/2024 at 20:15, TheBrownBottle said: Bruno has basically played his entire career there. He played there for Lyon when we signed him. Expand Quote “But if I have to choose I prefer to be a ‘segundo volonte’ (a box-to-box). It was the role I played at Athletico Paranaense and Lyon. But I can also play as the most defensive midfielder." Expand Quote ‘Last season I played many games at Newcastle as a defensive midfielder, some as a second and in the national team I play more as a second. It’s where I prefer to play. Expand Quote "To be honest, If you ask me this question, I have to say I prefer to play at No 8, but I think my role here, at No 6, is exactly what the team needs," he says. "It is to take the ball out, to do some passes, to find the wingers and the strikers. "I can play both positions, but Eddie has a choice to make and, for me, the most important thing is just to play and to help Newcastle get the three points. I think my best position is at No 8 but I can play at No 6. It's no problem for me." Expand Edited November 29 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 20:52, vexred said: he isn’t good enough to play 10. Expand He isn't good enough to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 19:34, Alberto2005 said: This is stupid, Hope reckons that Howe doesn't think they can start together. Bruno is always going to start, so what Tonali is always just going to be a sub? Howe needs to find a way to make this work, and he hasn't tried every avenue yet. He needs to try Tonali at 6 and Bruno further forward. Expand Why sign a 55m Italian international midfielder if you’ve already got someone to do the same job? (If this is the case). Like the Barnes/Gordon situation repeating itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) Is the group in this thread completely different to the ‘we win more with Longstaff and it’s Howe’s job to pick a winning team’ group? Somehow the manager gets hammered for both sides at the same time Edited November 29 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 21:34, AyeDubbleYoo said: Is the group in this thread completely different to the ‘we win more with Longstaff and it’s Howe’s job to pick a winning team’ group? Somehow the manager gets hammered for both sides at the same time Expand I think when we've spent all this money on Tonali, it is Howe's job to find a position for him. Tonali needs game time to improve. I'd love to see Tonali on the left, Bruno on the right, a DM behind them. Nearly every elite team has a DM, I think Howe's system is to blame for not getting the most out of Bruno and Tonali. I want us to get a DM in January or in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 29/11/2024 at 21:34, AyeDubbleYoo said: Is the group in this thread completely different to the ‘we win more with Longstaff and it’s Howe’s job to pick a winning team’ group? Somehow the manager gets hammered for both sides at the same time Expand Both positions can be true tbf. He can be right for selecting Longstaff because of the way we’ve set up and wrong for signing a player for a massive sum who doesn’t fit the way he’s setting us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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