NUFC Transfer Rumours

[The Butcher]

Oliver Shitt went for what, 20m +? Longstaff's much better.

 

Not saying Longy's worth the double, but he's a capable PL midfielder. 

 

Wouldn't sell for less than 15-20m.

[High Five o]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

So accept any bids ? Under 10mill for Longstaff ?

 

 

 

Of course not.

What would you deem acceptable?

 

Age going up, value going down.

 

The other alternative is to sell a «purple» and rebuild. 
 

not saying it’s just to offload, but we should work hard to do it.

 

i actually have faith in Mitchell to sort that out.

[Mazzy]

15 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Oliver Shitt went for what, 20m +? Longstaff's much better.

 

Not saying Longy's worth the double, but he's a capable PL midfielder. 

 

Wouldn't sell for less than 15-20m.

 

Well considering Anderson went for basically £15M, you'd think £20M would be a minimum for Longstaff really. Willock would be half that though I reckon considering the couple of poor seasons injury/form wise he's had, but then it's less likely teams will want him because of that.

[madras]

12 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Of course not.

What would you deem acceptable?

 

Age going up, value going down.

 

The other alternative is to sell a «purple» and rebuild. 
 

not saying it’s just to offload, but we should work hard to do it.

 

i actually have faith in Mitchell to sort that out.

I agree but I can see why people would be glib about your original post. I've no doubt that right now we'd let Miggy go, maybe even under 10mill. Personally I'd hold Longstaff until the Summer unless someone offered 20mill (15mill is likely his price) but if the bids don't come..... what then ? There's more to it than just saying "sell"

[Chris_R]

I can only repeat what I've already said about Longstaff...

 

PL rules mean we need to register 8 UK-trained players. UEFA rules mean we need to register 4 UK-trained players, and a further 4 academy players, for UEFA competitions. We're aiming for the CL or Europa League, so those rules apply in our thinking now.

Can those wanting us to get rid of Longstaff please name the 4 better academy players we currently have on our books? Miley doesn't count, he's U21 so is a free registration and doesn't count to the numbers.

 

If you can't name 4 better academy players aged 21+ (I'll give you a hint - you can't), then are you suggesting we go into European competition registering a squad of just 24 instead of 25? Because that's what we'll have to do.

 

Longstaff will, quite rightly, stay. Or at the very least be offered a new contract and not be put up for sale. There's 0 chance we try to sell him.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

We don’t NEED to register 4 academy players, it’s just that we restrict our squad if we don’t.

 

so the question isn’t who is better that Longstaff but rather can we put out a better 24 player squad if he is sold which then reduces the reliance on the homegrown quota. The answer to that is probably yes, but it will take a little thinking through. I’d argue certainly another forward or centre back who you would be happy with would be better than Longstaff as a reserve centre mid IF that is the consideration.

[Chris_R]

59 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

We don’t NEED to register 4 academy players, it’s just that we restrict our squad if we don’t.

 

so the question isn’t who is better that Longstaff but rather can we put out a better 24 player squad if he is sold

 

It wouldn't even be a 24-man squad. We've got (Unless I'm missing anyone?) NO PL-quality academy players other than Longstaff and Miley. MIley doesn't count because of age, so if we sell Longstaff we'll be registering 21 players for Europe - Or filling the rest with utter dross as a box-ticking exercise.

 

We're going to be naming benches with empty spaces on them.

 

Anyone we then sign instead of Longstaff will have to take one of the 21 places, not the 24. Meaning someone else senior will miss out.

 

It's a non-starter. Longstaff will stay. And, as I said, quite rightly. We should have kept Anderson for the same reason. The only reason you should sell PL-quality academy players is if you've got a surplus of them. We don't.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Chris_R

[Kanj]

“Quite rightly”  

 

Ok fine sir. 

[Mazzy]

57 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

It wouldn't even be a 24-man squad. We've got (Unless I'm missing anyone?) NO PL-quality academy players other than Longstaff and Miley. MIley doesn't count because of age, so if we sell Longstaff we'll be registering 21 players for Europe - Or filling the rest with utter dross as a box-ticking exercise.

 

We're going to be naming benches with empty spaces on them.

 

Anyone we then sign instead of Longstaff will have to take one of the 21 places, not the 24. Meaning someone else senior will miss out.

 

It's a non-starter. Longstaff will stay. And, as I said, quite rightly. We should have kept Anderson for the same reason. The only reason you should sell PL-quality academy players is if you've got a surplus of them. We don't.

 

 

 

 

That's definitely why you should do it but there's a reason we had to do it unfortunately. I don't see Longstaff leaving myself either, unless you get crazy bid for him but as you say even then that hurts us when it comes to European squads. But equally we're unlikely to be able to meet the homegrown requirements anyway even with Longstaff so perhaps it doesn't matter either way.

[Chris_R]

54 minutes ago, Kanj said:

“Quite rightly”  

 

Ok fine sir. 

 

It's obviously just my opinion. But sorry, I mistook this place for a public forum.

 

I'd love for us to have lots of better players than Longstaff, but at least 4 of them must come from the academy or it's a waste of time because they can't be registered. Until we have those 4 on our books, Longstaff's value is way in excess of what it would be if he were not from our youth setup. In fact his value to us is so much greater than his value to anyone else that he's basically not able to be sold.

[kingxlnc]

Dani Olmo even on loan for the RW would be a game changer for the rest of the season. Barca are having trouble registering him. Would be a purple without the big spend if we wanted to buy in the summer

[healthyaddiction]

Will Lewis Hall count as club developed in a couple years. You have to be registered at a club for 3 years between 17 and 21 so I think he just about makes it. But maybe not if the loan year doesn't count?

[aussiemag]

Do we think Elliot Anderson will come back within a couple of years? I hope he does. 

[Sibierski]

35 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

Will Lewis Hall count as club developed in a couple years. You have to be registered at a club for 3 years between 17 and 21 so I think he just about makes it. But maybe not if the loan year doesn't count?

Yes, he’ll count as club developed. 

 

Wouldn’t be shocked if we signed Freddie Woodman on a free this summer to get another HG on the books as part of the GK group. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

6 hours ago, Chris_R said:

 

It wouldn't even be a 24-man squad. We've got (Unless I'm missing anyone?) NO PL-quality academy players other than Longstaff and Miley. MIley doesn't count because of age, so if we sell Longstaff we'll be registering 21 players for Europe - Or filling the rest with utter dross as a box-ticking exercise.

 

We're going to be naming benches with empty spaces on them.

 

Anyone we then sign instead of Longstaff will have to take one of the 21 places, not the 24. Meaning someone else senior will miss out.

 

It's a non-starter. Longstaff will stay. And, as I said, quite rightly. We should have kept Anderson for the same reason. The only reason you should sell PL-quality academy players is if you've got a surplus of them. We don't.

 

 

 

it’s still the same argument though, quick glance down the squad and I think we have 24 players in the squad today who we would look at registering, which includes all 4 goalkeepers, and then you have Miley who is a ‘freebie’. I may have missed someone.
 

I guess you would not register Ruddy and Vlach plus 1 more so the question remains is the squad stronger at this 21 plus Longstaff and Miley or do you make the 21 stronger by selling Longstaff. We’ve got a bench padded with list B on players regardless.

 

Its not an easy answer either way 

[simonsays]

I guess we would be buying a few players under 21 in January/Summer anyway so you can pad the European squad out with them anyway - in future years the players we have been buying for development will allow us to register a full squad of 25 for Europe, but to say that we shouldn't sell Longstaff if the right offer comes in just so he can sit on the bench in a CL match is naive - we will.need to sell to buy and improve, and he is seemingly one of the few players worth money that Howe is willing to let go

[ExiledGeordie]

I feel like where we’re sitting in the league and building some momentum with real balance to the way we’re set up at the moment with Tonali a key attacking addition at RW could make all the difference in a push for Europe.  

[LFEE]

5 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Dani Olmo even on loan for the RW would be a game changer for the rest of the season. Barca are having trouble registering him. Would be a purple without the big spend if we wanted to buy in the summer

Have been thinking this since the news broke about the issue. Would be fantastic but no doubt unrealistic I guess with figures involved still.

[Pablo]

All this talk of not needing Sean Longstaff during a European campaign in particular is folly. If we are forced to register a reduced squad size, then injury and accumulation of games and fatigue could destroy our season again. We cannot have the same 15 or so players playing every game. There isn’t another lad in the academy that can step up and provide what Sean does, not for the foreseeable. He’s a senior pro, with bags of talent and experience, who can do a job when called upon, especially as a rotation option which is what he will accept he is now. If we make europa or conference , and for domestic cups and league games against the bottom half he would more than hold his own in the early rounds allowing our better players to rest. What we don’t want is Sean starting against the best sides frequently.

As a fan base we massively under appreciate his worth, both in monetary and footballing terms. Selling Sean for a few bob is great from a psr perspective, I get it, but a replacement of similar standing is going to have a similar cost. Some of the fan base, match going and online treat local players poorly, not every lad born a geordie can be as good as Gazza or Shearer.

[Chris_R]

7 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Selling Sean for a few bob is great from a psr perspective, I get it, but a replacement of similar standing is going to have a similar cost

 

Yeah but don't you know, when you sell a player for £20m and then buy a player for £20m you can activate the infinite money glitch if you shout "AMORTISATION" when he signs.

 

You only have to pay the first installment of the new player's fee and can totally write off the other 4 years, it just disappears into the ether.

[janpawel]

33 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Yeah but don't you know, when you sell a player for £20m and then buy a player for £20m you can activate the infinite money glitch if you shout "AMORTISATION" when he signs.

 

You only have to pay the first installment of the new player's fee and can totally write off the other 4 years, it just disappears into the ether.

😂😂

[Kanj]

8 hours ago, Chris_R said:

 

It's obviously just my opinion. But sorry, I mistook this place for a public forum.

 

I'd love for us to have lots of better players than Longstaff, but at least 4 of them must come from the academy or it's a waste of time because they can't be registered. Until we have those 4 on our books, Longstaff's value is way in excess of what it would be if he were not from our youth setup. In fact his value to us is so much greater than his value to anyone else that he's basically not able to be sold.

 

Just felt slightly arrogant like you were this all knowing oracle or something. But all good bro. I get exactly what you mean. 

[WilliamPS]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Have been thinking this since the news broke about the issue. Would be fantastic but no doubt unrealistic I guess with figures involved still.

He would surely only go to a CL club or one competing to win a league. A battle for 4th and a shot at the league cup isn’t going to swing it

[LFEE]

19 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

He would surely only go to a CL club or one competing to win a league. A battle for 4th and a shot at the league cup isn’t going to swing it

I know what you are saying. Barcelona are in the CL though so surely they would send him elsewhere? It’s only a 6 month loan after all.

[Theregulars]

They’ll find a way to register him, corruption normally wins out in La Liga.