NUFC Transfer Rumours

[tarie4]

10 minutes ago, SteV said:

Depends how you look at it I suppose. 
 

You’re quite right in what you say - but - if we look at what Villa did last season, they significantly strengthened themselves for the second half of the season, without the massive outlay it would have cost to do that permanently.

 

Ultimately it failed as they didn’t make CL, but it was a reasonably calculated risk, that almost got them back to the CL riches.

 

I prefer our/Eddie’s way though. In a world of everything revolving around transitional and periodic financial strength, it’s (almost) wholesome to buy a player and watch him gradually improve with the team (even if you did pay millions for him in the first place).

It was a risky move, and Monchi's style. Now those loan players are returning, and you'll have to sell players to meet the Financial Fair Play rules. That might weaken the squad.

In PSR, it's all about the long game, not quick wins; steady growth, not rushing things. Unless you have revenue at least 75% of the sky six, gambles are a no no. I include loans in this too.

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by tarie4

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I'd like to know what you're expecting to find

 

Not a lot tbf, but for me the goalkeeper is the least part of our problem. It is annoying though seeing clickbait social media videos titled "Newcastle swoop for two stars!" only to come here and see it's all bullshit.  

[Hudson]

26 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

"Newcastle swoop for two stars!" only to come here and see it's all bullshit.  

Just come here then, keep away from Socials.

[The College Dropout]

26 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Villa tried that gamble, didn't work out ended up costing them a fortune. 

 

plus let's take a step into reality, who should we loan? Who will push us over the line? 

 

 

The approach worked - it just didn’t land the spot by a whisker. By the end of matchweek 24, they were in the CL, FA Cup and 4 points behind us and 5th place. 
 

They ended the season with the same amount of points as 5th - taking the race to the last game of the season, while playing 6 more games than us in that time. And more games prior.  
 

The approach worked. It made them competitive on 3 fronts and was a bit of luck away from being a complete success.  
 

If we take the approach that leaves us without enough quality in-depth, it will not be close. We will not qualify for the CL or Europa League and many on here will call for Howe to lose his job. 
 

As for the particular loans - we’ll only know late in the window who will be available as usual.  Players won’t make squads or first teams and deals will be available.  Same in January. 
 

We need 4 quality additions to the team to compete on multiple fronts.  If we don’t it will take a miracle for us to requalify for the CL.  Isak and Tonali will be liable to leave anyway.  Whether it’s all permanent transfers or a loan or 2 - we need that squad. 

 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

The approach worked - it just didn’t land the spot by a whisker. By the end of matchweek 24, they were in the CL, FA Cup and 4 points behind us and 5th place. 
 

They ended the season with the same amount of points as 5th - taking the race to the last game of the season, while playing 6 more games than us in that time. And more games prior.  
 

The approach worked. It made them competitive on 3 fronts and was a bit of luck away from being a complete success.  
 

If we take the approach that leaves us without enough quality in-depth, it will not be close. We will not qualify for the CL or Europa League and many on here will call for Howe to lose his job. 
 

As for the particular loans - we’ll only know late in the window who will be available as usual.  Players won’t make squads or first teams and deals will be available.  Same in January. 
 

We need 4 quality additions to the team to compete on multiple fronts.  If we don’t it will take a miracle for us to requalify for the CL.  Isak and Tonali will be liable to leave anyway.  Whether it’s all permanent transfers or a loan or 2 - we need that squad. 

 

Brother, the approach didn't work. The goal they had when they committed an additional 500k per week was to make the champions league and they failed.

 

Let's also not forget the elephant in the room which is our dear owners, without paying over the odds for both Diaby and Duran Villa would be in literal PSR hell a luxury we simply can't afford. 

[Stal]

8 minutes ago, Hudson said:

Just come here then, keep away from Socials.

 

Yep, I do this. I use this forum as a bullshit filter.

[The College Dropout]

34 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

It was a risky move, and Monchi's style. Now those loan players are returning, and you'll have to sell players to meet the Financial Fair Play rules. That might weaken the squad.

In PSR, it's all about the long game, not quick wins; steady growth, not rushing things. Unless you have revenue at least 75% of the sky six, gambles are a no no. I include loans in this too.

 

 

 

I disagree fundamentally. FFP is all about the short term. For us - 2 years, back to back CL football can become transformative.  It will give us the buffer to falter in a medium term or compound success. 
 

We need to consolidate our successes.  That requires taking a risk.   
 

Either we add to our class players and confirm ourselves as CL regulars. Or we sell them and fall further behind. 
 

We take a calculated risk and fail - we sell Isak. If don’t take a risk and fail - we also sell Isak. 

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

Grealish would spent most of his time here getting pissed if we signed him

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Brother, the approach didn't work. The goal they had when they committed an additional 500k per week was to make the champions league and they failed.

 

Let's also not forget the elephant in the room which is our dear owners, without paying over the odds for both Diaby and Duran Villa would be in literal PSR hell a luxury we simply can't afford. 

If Liverpool had scored a second in the league cup final, would that mean Howe’s tactical approach didn’t work?

 

The approach was a good one and it gave us the best chance of success. If we ended up losing the match because Liverpools bench was much stronger, that doesn’t negate the success of the tactical and motivational approach. 
 

By your own calculation the risk cost Villa £20m. Thats the cost of a bench player for them. And they should make that back in the difference between Europa League and no European football. 
 

Villa having saleable assets is a different matter but semi related.  If we go for it with permanent signings, we will also have saleable assets. 

[Groundhog63]

15 minutes ago, Stal said:

 

Yep, I do this. I use this forum as a bullshit filter.

 

[Stal]

2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

 

Lol. I said what I said

[Keegans Export]

I agree with TCD for the most part.

 

The odds are we'll lose one or possibly two of our top players next summer, hopefully for a substantial amount of money.

 

Getting Champions League football again doesn't guarantee those players staying but it does make us a much more attractive proposition to the players we look to recruit. How we invest that money from selling Isak, Tonali, Gordon, whoever matters and we'll be able to bring in a much better calibre of player if we have both the money and the prestige of repeated CL qualification. 

[Shearergol]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

If Liverpool had scored a second in the league cup final, would that mean Howe’s tactical approach didn’t work?

 

The approach was a good one and it gave us the best chance of success. If we ended up losing the match because Liverpools bench was much stronger, that doesn’t negate the success of the tactical and motivational approach. 
 

By your own calculation the risk cost Villa £20m. Thats the cost of a bench player for them. And they should make that back in the difference between Europa League and no European football. 
 

Villa having saleable assets is a different matter but semi related.  If we go for it with permanent signings, we will also have saleable assets. 

 

If they'd scored 2 more, then yeah, kinda.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Villas approach nearly worked but to say it didn’t work is about as straightforward a truth as you’ll see on the football forum.

 

[Froggy]

We spent £180m in the summer to win the Europa League and get into the Champions League. I'm pleased to inform you that it worked.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

We spent £180m in the summer to win the Europa League and get into the Champions League. I'm pleased to inform you that it worked.

 

I like how you made that sound like two separate achievements

[PauloGeordio]

We spent fook all. Won the League cup and got into the UCL. 

 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Hudson said:

Just come here then, keep away from Socials.

 

I do for the most part but still get Roobenstein, Adam Pearson et all popping up on Youtube because I made the mistake of watching some random vid 3 years ago. 

[TRon]

46 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I agree with TCD for the most part.

 

The odds are we'll lose one or possibly two of our top players next summer, hopefully for a substantial amount of money.

 

Getting Champions League football again doesn't guarantee those players staying but it does make us a much more attractive proposition to the players we look to recruit. How we invest that money from selling Isak, Tonali, Gordon, whoever matters and we'll be able to bring in a much better calibre of player if we have both the money and the prestige of repeated CL qualification. 

 

 

I agree with TCD on this as well. We can't keep spending less than our rivals and hope we keep performing better every season. We have to capitalise on scraping into the CL this time round. If it works then we get a chance to keep growing the club. If it fails, then we will sell off our stars and start again. That will most likely happen anyway if other clubs invest more season on season. 

[Hudson]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

I do for the most part but still get Roobenstein, Adam Pearson et all popping up on Youtube because I made the mistake of watching some random vid 3 years ago. 

 

They all very  quickly ended up with the Not Interested option being selected for me, the only Youtube channels worth watching are ACFC and 4-4-2  

[The Prophet]

[KennyUtd]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Spread the joy...

[Ben]

3 hours ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said:

Grealish would spent most of his time here getting pissed if we signed him

 

Just shift him in with Trippier, he'll keep him on the straight and narrow 

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

 

If they'd scored 2 more, then yeah, kinda.

Maybe work is the wrong word. Was it a an effective idea and execution, a worthy risk, a viable plan etc.  

 

When you are up against team(s) with more resources, any smart moves can be overcome by the additional resources and quality the other teams are able to utilise. Doesn’t make it wasn’t a good choice that gave you the best chance of success. Liverpool have better players than us, 6 other teams have more resources than us - anything we do will require luck and risk. 

[54]

26 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Less that, more: