Skeletor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Is Ramsey any more of an upgrade on Willock? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I’m not sure. He was great 22/23 like Willock was but has since had a bad injury and lost his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) We’re definitely after Ramsey, I mentioned it in here a while ago. if it’s £29m, we should snap their hands off. Edited June 9 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 But I reckon we’ll hold out and try and squeeze them further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Warning: The music will make you want to end yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 12 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Yes £30m worth of an upgrade? Doesn’t feel like an great opportunistic move, especially when it helps a rival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 19 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Is Ramsey any more of an upgrade on Willock? I’d say so, but questions marks over his fitness put me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 minutes ago, Sibierski said: £30m worth of an upgrade? Doesn’t feel like an great opportunistic move, especially when it helps a rival. The "big 6" help each other loads, we should be looking to do the same with the other teams that want to break in like us. If it helps us all negate PSR and helps us all sign players like they can, it makes sense. Otherwise they'll just pull further away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Gotta admit I thought Ramsey was younger - he's done ok at Villa but he's not pulling up any trees. So on reflection it's a no from me - £29 mil would be better spent elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Make them sign Longstaff for £18m or something in return. Can be our Anderson/Vlach moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Be happy with Ramsay for the price. The whole helping out Aston Villa thing is irrelevant, if not us, someone else will bite. They’re not going to be docked points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said: Be happy with Ramsay for the price. The whole helping out Aston Villa thing is irrelevant, if not us, someone else will bite. They’re not going to be docked points. Well.....they will if they breach. Only Man U, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Spurs are allowed to. Them the rules. Edited June 9 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Ramsey has played so little lately that its difficult to judge him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Trafford Elanga Pedro Guehi Ramsey If that’s who we want, then we will need a big sale surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 minutes ago, duo said: Well.....they will if they breach. Only Man U, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Spurs are allowed to. Them the rules. They have a huge amount of saleable assets. It’s a pain for them, but they’ll easily make up the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Trafford Elanga Pedro Guehi Ramsey If that’s who we want, then we will need a big sale surely. Still not convinced we get any of these. Don’t mean that negatively I still think the players we want aren’t common knowledge Edited June 9 by Andy84 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 So, are we signing Rogers then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, Teasy said: But who's going to match him for goals and assists and also have much better ball retention? It's not like he passes the ball to the opposition often. A major part of his lower ball retention is due to the fact he tries crosses and shots. Easy for wingers to retain the ball more if they risk possession less but they aren't likely to get near him in assists in that case. It’s not like. He’s generally poor in possession - bad passes under no pressure. Worse passes under pressure. Just lacks basic footballing ability. It’s not really a debate - you can see it. Cant criticise his G/A and I would only hope to replicate that with his replacement. We’ll never be a Pep type team. But you can see our level of play would go up a level with better ball playing GK, LCB, CM, RW. I don’t think it’s a particular strength of Livramento or Gordon but it’s a lot better than Burn and Murphy. Just that bit more comfortable on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 22 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Trafford Elanga Pedro Guehi Ramsey If that’s who we want, then we will need a big sale surely. Surely not. We havent invested in 3 transfer windows and next season we are getting rid of the 22/23 season when we had a deficit of £70m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 minutes ago, Displayname said: Surely not. We havent invested in 3 transfer windows and next season we are getting rid of the 22/23 season when we had a deficit of £70m. True, but we're still paying the wages and amortisation of pretty much every player we've signed since the takeover so that £70m deficit dropping off is only part of the story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 25 minutes ago, Abacus said: So, are we signing Rogers then? Definitely the player I'd take from Villa. Would cost double Ramsey though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 21 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: True, but we're still paying the wages and amortisation of pretty much every player we've signed since the takeover so that £70m deficit dropping off is only part of the story Yes but our commercial revenue has also increased to counter that. In 23/24 the deficit got reduced to £11m and this season cant be that bad either since we got pure profit from a couple of sales. With extra money from CL next season its hard to understand why we wouldn't be in a good position in regards to PSR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, joeyt said: Assume Rogers won't help them as much as selling Ramsey due to him not coming through their academy Aye might level out in PSR terms. Depends how much Rogers head gets turned when clubs come in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Of all players to take from Villa, I’d have Konsa. Locks down CB for a while, and equally competent at RB which is helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Villa have plenty of sellable assets. We aren’t signing any of their top players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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