Harvey Barnes

[madras]

Just now, Holmesy said:

I think that's the main crux of the discussion really. It doesn't look like it, but he does have a decent left peg. We'd lose a lot of his cutting in potency for sure, but would he be more consistent and dangerous on the right than Murphy and Almiron? Probably

So why not just go with Gordon on the right as he has (probably) much more experience there ?

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, madras said:

So why not just go with Gordon on the right as he has (probably) much more experience there ?

I'd argue the same but i think there's an element of trying to keep Gordon happy. He clearly sees himself as a LW, he's bloody brilliant there and he wants to nail down that England spot. He also has high-profile admirers elsewhere who would play him in his favoured position. 

[madras]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I'd argue the same but i think there's an element of trying to keep Gordon happy. He clearly sees himself as a LW, he's bloody brilliant there and he wants to nail down that England spot. He also has high-profile admirers elsewhere who would play him in his favoured position. 

Clearly ? How's that ? When signed much was made of his ability to play across the line, it wasn't mentioned that he was  LW who could at a push play elsewhere.

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

Clearly ? How's that ? When signed much was made of his ability to play across the line, it wasn't mentioned that he was  LW who could at a push play elsewhere.

Maybe you're right, it could just be circumstance and history that makes it feel that way. I think it's fair to say he sees himself as a LW though, and not many players are happy playing what they consider to be 'out of position'. Who knows?! Whichever configuration works to get them into the team together, just get it done.

[timnufc22]

Keith Gillespie vs Barca is what Gordon could give us on the right.

[Coffee_Johnny]

43 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

Keith Gillespie vs Barca is what Gordon could give us on the right.

Funny you say that, I have thought that they have that same rangy body type (Gordon a couple of inches taller I’d guess) and both super quick, but can’t think of a time I’ve seen Gordon go outside and put a right wing cross in. He must be able to, strikes the ball so well with pace and accuracy. 

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On the recent Gordon-Livramento interview, Gordon confirmed LW is his preferred position. Albeit 'happy to play anywhere' as they all say.

[Dandy Man]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

The fact you compared wingers switching sides to Pope playing upfront makes me pity you immensely.

 

Your football intellect disgusts me.

 

Be gone simpleton!

Read this in the style of Dennis from Always Sunny

[Sibierski]

Both are strongest at LW, both still a threat from RW. Just quite simple to play both, and have them rotate during the game depending on how things are going.

 

Just comes down to IMO, if Howe wants to start both and lose the impact off the bench. Which if that was his mindset, I’d be proper disappointed.

[Jinky]

Just remembered that this lad has played for England........more chances?

 

Also won Comm shield against Man City in 2019!

[andyc35i]

Seems to have a few goals against Fulham from that video, so he has to start for me 

[Upthemags]

That right foot is too good to be playing him at RW. And Gordon's ability seems less restricted in that way.

[80]

Think my bias is towards them both switching sides, with Barnes biased towards the right, as Kaka is saying.

 

Barnes has the fire in him to make it work at the moment, while Gordon looks like he's still building up a head of steam. Plus Barnes seems to marry well with Livramento, assuming he's overall going to be our main RB.

[madras]

2 hours ago, Sibierski said:

Both are strongest at LW, both still a threat from RW. Just quite simple to play both, and have them rotate during the game depending on how things are going.

 

Just comes down to IMO, if Howe wants to start both and lose the impact off the bench. Which if that was his mindset, I’d be proper disappointed.

I wonder if we'd be saying that had Barnes not got injured and possibly played more and Gordon had his break out season on the right where he actually started for us when he first came 

[madras]

28 minutes ago, 80 said:

Think my bias is towards them both switching sides, with Barnes biased towards the right, as Kaka is saying.

 

Barnes has the fire in him to make it work at the moment, while Gordon looks like he's still building up a head of steam. Plus Barnes seems to marry well with Livramento, assuming he's overall going to be our main RB.

Is that based on all Barnes's experience on the right ?

[Scoot]

Got to play them both. When both are fit, there's no way Murphy should be starting for us.

[TRon]

3 hours ago, Sibierski said:

Both are strongest at LW, both still a threat from RW. Just quite simple to play both, and have them rotate during the game depending on how things are going.

 

Just comes down to IMO, if Howe wants to start both and lose the impact off the bench. Which if that was his mindset, I’d be proper disappointed.

 

Bit of an indictment of Miggy and Murphy if they can't be considered to have impact off the bench but not every subs bench is going to have someone of Barne's quality.

[Lush Vlad]

33 minutes ago, madras said:

I wonder if we'd be saying that had Barnes not got injured and possibly played more and Gordon had his break out season on the right where he actually started for us when he first came 

Did he? Remember him being on the left almost all the while. With the odd game on the right. Got Brentford in my head, for some reason? 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'd prefer him left of the two but Barnes played RW quite a bit earlier in his career. In his goal comps he pops up in quite a few different positions and has finishes on both feet. 

 

Saw a goal he scored for West Brom on his left, extremely similar to this weekend's.

 

Extremely underrated footballer.

[madras]

21 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Did he? Remember him being on the left almost all the while. With the odd game on the right. Got Brentford in my head, for some reason? 

On the right at Brentford and Bournemouth. I'm sure he was subbed at half time after being poor starting on the left , Southampton ?

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57 minutes ago, madras said:

Is that based on all Barnes's experience on the right ?

No, my footballing instinct.

[madras]

11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

I'd prefer him left of the two but Barnes played RW quite a bit earlier in his career. In his goal comps he pops up in quite a few different positions and has finishes on both feet. 

 

Saw a goal he scored for West Brom on his left, extremely similar to this weekend's.

 

Extremely underrated footballer.

You see, that's what I've been asking. I remember Gordon playing right and being impressed but all my memories of Barnes are on the left.

[madras]

3 minutes ago, 80 said:

No, my footballing instinct.

I'm thinking it's that you liked Gordon last season on the left so in your mind it's hard to move him.

[Lush Vlad]

9 minutes ago, madras said:

On the right at Brentford and Bournemouth. I'm sure he was subbed at half time after being poor starting on the left , Southampton ?

If you can be arsed to go back and look at the lineups. Then be my guest  but I barely remember him playing on the right for us. Less than 5 times, at a guess? 
 

I think he did play there for Everton, mind and if it was my decision on who plays there and out Gordon and Barnes. Then I would put Gordon on the right, for sure. 
 

I’m sure they can interchange. Isak has often had spells in games where he ends up playing off the left. It’s not like we have a really rigid formation. 

[80]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

I'm thinking it's that you liked Gordon last season on the left so in your mind it's hard to move him.

Of course I liked him, he was one of the top left wingers in Europe last season. So I'm definitely disinclined to disturb that while he's still playing his way back into form and - I suspect - stabilizing his mindset after all the disruption over the summer.

 

Whereas Barnes looks hungry to make the best of every opportunity put in front of him, is two footed enough to try something different, and has a playing style that seems to dovetail well with Livramento's give and go wingplay.