madras Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wandy said: Completely agree. And all the bollocks that gets flung at them...."bought success", "not really a big club", "plastic fans" ....will be thrown our way too in the coming years. If there is one club that we should have a solidarity-pact with, it's them. How can "bought success" be levelled at us when it's literally all accounted for under FFP and rules were brought on specifically to stop us doing what they have ? Plastic fans ? Another one that will be laughed at as a quick scan of the attendance records will show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 liverpool and manu bought success for years before ffp was even an idea. lets not even start with the spanish and italian clubs. its always been like this but its now gone stratospheric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wandy said: Completely agree. And all the bollocks that gets flung at them...."bought success", "not really a big club", "plastic fans" ....will be thrown our way too in the coming years. If there is one club that we should have a solidarity-pact with, it's them. It'll be flung at any club that isn't Manchester United, Arsenal or Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wandy said: Completely agree. And all the bollocks that gets flung at them...."bought success", "not really a big club", "plastic fans" ....will be thrown our way too in the coming years. If there is one club that we should have a solidarity-pact with, it's them. They spent massively due to no ffp, then when at the top of the league, ffp was implemented to stop the likes of us competing with them. By the time ffp came in, they had won the league and were talked about as one of the ‘Big 6’. it’s nothing like Stifler says about them having ffp forced upon them and having to fight against it. They were as complicit in it all as the other ‘top 5’ clubs, in bringing up the drawbridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: They spent massively due to no ffp, then when at the top of the league, ffp was implemented to stop the likes of us competing with them. By the time ffp came in, they had won the league and were talked about as one of the ‘Big 6’. it’s nothing like Stifler says about them having ffp forced upon them and having to fight against it. They were as complicit in it all as the other ‘top 5’ clubs, in bringing up the drawbridge. I'm not sure that was the intention of FFP but it was the effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, madras said: How can "bought success" be levelled at us when it's literally all accounted for under FFP and rules were brought on specifically to stop us doing what they have ? Plastic fans ? Another one that will be laughed at as a quick scan of the attendance records will show. I agree. But it won't stop other fans from saying it. Basically, look at how the RTG goons are going on about us right now. That's the way many other fanbases will be like if we become successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: I agree. But it won't stop other fans from saying it. Basically, look at how the RTG goons are going on about us right now. That's the way many other fanbases will be like if we become successful. Let them. Makes them just look bitter when you point out the facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Manxst said: They spent massively due to no ffp, then when at the top of the league, ffp was implemented to stop the likes of us competing with them. By the time ffp came in, they had won the league and were talked about as one of the ‘Big 6’. it’s nothing like Stifler says about them having ffp forced upon them and having to fight against it. They were as complicit in it all as the other ‘top 5’ clubs, in bringing up the drawbridge. Maybe. The point is though that, in the modern era of the last 50 years, City fans have seen both sides of the life of a football fan, which the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal & Man Utd haven't. That lot like to belittle City as some kind of diddy club pre-2008, which is utter bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, Wandy said: Maybe. The point is though that, in the modern era of the last 50 years, City fans have seen both sides of the life of a football fan, which the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal & Man Utd haven't. That lot like to belittle City as some kind of diddy club pre-2008, which is utter bullshit. No one is belittling them. I like them as a club and admire the way they play. But to say they have done nothing wrong is just bullshit, and that’s what we’re discussing, not the club stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Wandy said: Maybe. The point is though that, in the modern era of the last 50 years, City fans have seen both sides of the life of a football fan, which the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal & Man Utd haven't. That lot like to belittle City as some kind of diddy club pre-2008, which is utter bullshit. Yeah but City are purely where they are due to limitless spending pre FFP and quite probably breaking FFP rules since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Since 1882 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Man City's FFP charges will be resolved with a financial handshake, and as a result FFP rules will be reconfigured so that Saudi clubs play in European competition. City's lawyers winning against FFP charges, will no doubt help us - but in doing so will also give free reign for Saudi Arabia playing and Saudi League being incorporated to EUFA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Manxst said: No one is belittling them. I like them as a club and admire the way they play. But to say they have done nothing wrong is just bullshit, and that’s what we’re discussing, not the club stature. I am talking about their club stature though, that's the point. Fans of the traditional big five like to dismiss their big club status as something that was entirely contrived by the UAE takeover, when in reality they have always been one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the club that NUFC have the most common with in the country, outside of that lot down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, TomYam said: It'll be flung at any club that isn't Manchester United, Arsenal or Liverpool. It’s already being flung at us. The Sela deal when other clubs got a hold of it got loads of criticism, despite it still being below what the top 6 clubs get. Go online now and all you see is our name mentioned along with Chelsea, and Man City as breaking FFP rules, even looking at our spending and saying we have spent our way to the top. Wait until other fans get a hold of our Adidas deal, especially if it’s worth the £40m it’s rumoured to be. Edited August 20, 2023 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, Wandy said: I am talking about their club stature though, that's the point. Fans of the traditional big five like to dismiss their big club status as something that was entirely contrived by the UAE takeover, when in reality they have always been one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the club that NUFC have the most common with in the country, outside of that lot down the road. Yeah, but the whole discussion here stemmed from the Man City fan asking for evidence of them being ‘bent’ and denying that they are. No one has denied their club stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, madras said: Yeah but City are purely where they are due to limitless spending pre FFP and quite probably breaking FFP rules since. It's not just about the money though is it? The fact is that they have spent their money spectacularly well, to the point that they are finely honed machine & super-strong in every club facet. That is something to be respected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 .com with a pretty fair report on proceedings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, Stifler said: It’s already being flung at us. The Stela deal when other clubs got a hold of it got loads of criticism, despite it still being below what the top 6 clubs get. Go online now and all you see is our name mentioned along with Chelsea, and Man City as breaking FFP rules, even looking at our spending and saying we have spent our way to the top. Wait until other fans get a hold of our Adidas deal, especially if it’s worth the £40m it’s rumoured to be. Have you talked to other clubs fans about the Sela deal when they whinge about it ? I have, just ask them how much is a fair amount for a Champs league club and get them to look up other clubs deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: Yeah, but the whole discussion here stemmed from the Man City fan asking for evidence of them being ‘bent’ and denying that they are. No one has denied their club stature. Plenty of people do though. Maybe not on here but that's the lazy chatter amongst many fans of rival clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maineblue Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, madras said: Yeah but City are purely where they are due to limitless spending pre FFP and quite probably breaking FFP rules since. Maybe but Man Utd have spent close to £1.6 billion since Fergie retired in 2013 and that hasn’t resulted in a title win, why is it City spending has got us where we are but the same isn’t levelled at other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Htt Since 1882 said: Man City's FFP charges will be resolved with a financial handshake, and as a result FFP rules will be reconfigured so that Saudi clubs play in European competition. City's lawyers winning against FFP charges, will no doubt help us - but in doing so will also give free reign for Saudi Arabia playing and Saudi League being incorporated to EUFA I don’t get this Saudi clubs in UEFA competitions talk. It seems as though all the talk about it, is coming from pundits who fear we won’t be the biggest league soon, and lapped up by fans who think the same and fall for it. It’s pure Rio Ferdinand talk. Nothing coming out of Saudi or anywhere official is pushing the idea either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Wandy said: It's not just about the money though is it? The fact is that they have spent their money spectacularly well, to the point that they are finely honed machine & super-strong in every club facet. That is something to be respected. They’ve spent over a billion £ in the last decade. Most transfers of course will be successes simply due to signing the quality of player for the amount of money- they’re hardly speculating, but they’ve also signed some shit too- Mangala for over £40m? Robinho? Rodwell, Jo, Bony? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: Have you talked to other clubs fans about the Sela deal when they whinge about it ? I have, just ask them how much is a fair amount for a Champs league club and get them to look up other clubs deals. To be honest I don’t engage with them. No amount of talking is going to change their mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: Plenty of people do though. Maybe not on here but that's the lazy chatter amongst many fans of rival clubs. Whole different discussion to what’s going on here though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Maineblue said: Maybe but Man Utd have spent close to £1.6 billion since Fergie retired in 2013 and that hasn’t resulted in a title win, why is it City spending has got us where we are but the same isn’t levelled at other clubs. I can't stand Man United but there commercial income was organically grown through their success. Man City and Chelsea just hooked up an oil well to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Maineblue said: Maybe but Man Utd have spent close to £1.6 billion since Fergie retired in 2013 and that hasn’t resulted in a title win, why is it City spending has got us where we are but the same isn’t levelled at other clubs. Man U can spend billions as they have the commercial income - the fact it hasn't resulted in success is down to spending it badly. City didn't have the same commercial income so found 'ways' to get round it - but spent well on the whole - so got success. Edited August 20, 2023 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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