MrRaspberryJam Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I'd say 90% of fouls are genuine efforts to win the ball, though. He went for it, fouled Isak who had a good chance of running through on goal, red card all day for me. Optimistic Nut. Why don't you fuc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Hmmm, you sure? Pretty pretty sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, Displayname said: Pretty pretty sure. Right I'll give you this one but next time I'm coming for ya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 The "genuine attempt to play the ball" rule only comes into play if the foul is in the box (a change to the old double jeopardy rule where a mistimed last ditch tackle would be punished by both a red and a penalty). Outside the box it's completely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I know it's irrelevant now but if one of Almiron's chances go in I think we win this 3 or 4-0. Margins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Right OK i got it wrong I get it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Will somebody give raspberry a tampon please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Right OK i got it wrong I get it Let that be a lesson to you. Respect your elders and do not fuck with the big boys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 So VVD has been charged with improper conduct, but not had his suspension extended. What is the point if you are only going to fine multimillionaire’s a small percentage of their weekly wage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Will somebody give raspberry a tampon please. Because of the texture and the quality of the shammy, that'll come off with tap water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, Wullie said: Let that be a lesson to you. Respect your elders and do not fuck with the big boys. Klopp to Tindall on Sunday ^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) So I watched the match at the back end of a massive bender in Berlin. To say that one hurt was a massive understatement given I was already on the ropes in the 12th round anyway ? It just had to be these cunts again didn’t it. One of our good pals in the group is a massive scouser and Pool fan and we were able to have a laugh about it after. That Nunez winner was as tough as a sucker punch I can remember in recent times. I just think this game summed up why we’re not quite there yet but then considering how far we’ve come in 18 months it’s been amazing progression. It’s cliched but the players will learn more from this result than possibly any other loss. Whatever you think of Liverpool they have a knack and experience of staying in games and having some unbelievable comebacks. We’re still learning. Yes there’s debate over substitutions, tactics, losing our shape and intensity second half, Bruno losing the ball in a key situation…..but ultimately we just didn’t take our chances to finish them off and they took theirs. We need to learn to keep our foot on someone’s throat and finish things off, that’s what top sides do. We’re not there yet but we’re developing and learning how to get there. I think you need to take a step back after a result as hurting as this and just look at the bigger picture; it’s one result, the club is looking to build and move forwards which is the main thing after the dark days of Ashley. Edited August 30, 2023 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Displayname said: What wasnt clear cut with the red card? That is was a foul or that it would have been a clear goal scoring oppurtunity if he hadnt been fouled? Both seem obvious to me. I mean, it was a foul. He gets the ball, but he goes through him to get it. If he didn’t take Isak’s right foot first then is Isak clean through? Maybe. But since VVD did get the ball as Isak was falling I don’t think we have a definitive answer. Thus I would have probably erred on the side of caution and yellow-carded him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, leffe186 said: I mean, it was a foul. He gets the ball, but he goes through him to get it. If he didn’t take Isak’s right foot first then is Isak clean through? Maybe. But since VVD did get the ball as Isak was falling I don’t think we have a definitive answer. Thus I would have probably erred on the side of caution and yellow-carded him. I think some refs would give a red card, some a yellow. Edited August 30, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, El Prontonise said: I think some refs would give a red card, some a yellow. I agree. Like I say, that’s why I was surprised when I saw it after reading the thread. Nothing crazy, just expected it to be more blatant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, leffe186 said: I mean, it was a foul. He gets the ball, but he goes through him to get it. If he didn’t take Isak’s right foot first then is Isak clean through? Maybe. But since VVD did get the ball as Isak was falling I don’t think we have a definitive answer. Thus I would have probably erred on the side of caution and yellow-carded him. You can't really apply shoulda, woulda, coulda here though, can you? The only thing we know is that VVD is last man on the edge of the box and takes Isak out. His only route to getting the ball at that time was to go through him. Making cases about what might've happened if he didn't make the challenge is kinda endless; lots of things could've happened but it's very reasonable to assume that he makes the move then because he knows he's been beaten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, leffe186 said: I mean, it was a foul. He gets the ball, but he goes through him to get it. If he didn’t take Isak’s right foot first then is Isak clean through? Maybe. But since VVD did get the ball as Isak was falling I don’t think we have a definitive answer. Thus I would have probably erred on the side of caution and yellow-carded him. Not sure what you mean by this. The pathway and speed of the ball was pretty much perfectly laid up for Isak who was in front of VVD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) I think in situations like these, positioning relative to other defenders (and the goal) + chances of being able to control the ball is much more important to consider than what the guy who commited the foul could've done instead.. The opportunities of the player who commited the foul probably doesn't even count, we already know that he ended up making the error of commiting the foul instead of following Isak to pressure him. Edited August 30, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: I think some refs would give a red card, some a yellow. Got to factor in that the ref knew he'd messed up the TAA card so he couldn't go soft again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I was away all weekend so wasn't able to watch game live. Sounds to be painful so not watched highlights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, morpeth mag said: Got to factor in that the ref knew he'd messed up the TAA card so he couldn't go soft again Yeah that goes into his thinking as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Displayname said: Not sure what you mean by this. The pathway and speed of the ball was pretty much perfectly laid up for Isak who was in front of VVD. Isak would have scored if VVD hadn't taken him out. It wasn't an obvious foul because of the angle he came in at, but it was one of the few decisions the ref actually got right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, morpeth mag said: Got to factor in that the ref knew he'd messed up the TAA card so he couldn't go soft again Yeah that would totally make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I don't understand how that can possibly be a contentious red card like. Without the challenge, Isak is 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper. I think it's as clear an example of DOGSO that you will see, short of a player being scythed down from behind (e.g. Solskjaer on Lee). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) I honestly just think they needed a talking point from the weekend and shoehorned that in. It really should have been about Arsenal scoring after Saka had fouled and injured that Fulham player imo. You have to love the Carragher argument though, it's essentially 'well we don't know if it was a goalscoring opportunity because VVD fouled him before we knew for sure' As Jack Nicholson put it in As Good as it Gets, "I'm drowning here, and you're describing the water" Edited August 30, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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