Chelsea 1-1 Newcastle United (19/12/23) Chelsea win 4-2 on penalties

[Checko]

I don't this was a great performance where we got really unlucky - we had basically one chance all game, and that was from their fuck up. After we scored, we barely even tried to leave our own half.

 

The main issue for me (and this was the same against top teams like Milan (a), PSG (a), Dortmund, or against others like Bournemouth and Everton) - when we are under a bit of pressure we cannot keep the ball, particularly away.

 

So we kick it long to an isolated striker, Wilson or Isak, neither of whom are particularly good at physical hold-up play stuff. So we don't win it long, and then we are back under more pressure. Over and over again. Moderate pressure and we go revert to Pardew ball.

 

We don't have the players and energy to really press hard as we would before so we're not winning it high up the pitch.

 

So we need to get another way of moving the ball. Yes energy levels obviously make things more difficult, but from the 16 minute mark we basically couldn't keep the ball all game. And this wasn't an odd occasion, it's happened a lot. That's not just about fatigue, that's about tactics and mentality.

[Rod]

1 minute ago, cubaricho said:

Miggy taking that shot and not taking it into the corner, leading to their counter that became the goal, is the best example of this. 

So it wasn't Trippier messing up then?

[WideopenMag]

1 minute ago, madras said:

That was where (imo) where Tonali was supposed to fit in. I don't see him as some do as merely a Longstaff upgrade.

Aye good shout, feel for Howe with that as it's something maybe he realied and tried to address with that signing.

[WideopenMag]

Just now, Rod said:

So it wasn't Trippier messing up then?

He's right what he's saying our game management needs to be better and our players need to wise up at times, miggy should have took it to the corner.

[cubaricho]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

So it wasn't Trippier messing up then?

 

That was the end result, yeah.

 

But it's more about what @middsis talking about when it comes to us having that killer instinct, playing like we've been there before. 

 

Teams that have won, that have been there, take that ball into the corner for as long as possible so that there is no counter attack for Trippier to fuck up on.

 

That's the difference between us and others.

[midds]

1 minute ago, cubaricho said:

Miggy taking that shot and not taking it into the corner, leading to their counter that became the goal, is the best example of this. 

Exactly, it's all about making good football decisions when there are just a couple of minutes to go. 

 

Ironically it's something that I think we've got worse at over the course of time. Instinctively you'd expect us to get better at it the more often you do it but it's got worse imo. Last season I think we see that game out via several trivial/fake injuries, dubious subs etc but we've completely lost that ability now. We've become too nice and amiable

[Shak]

6 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

Miggy taking that shot and not taking it into the corner, leading to their counter that became the goal, is the best example of this. 

 

I actually shouted "ah don't shoot FFS, you dipshit" as I could see him shaping up for that shot.

 

So fucking stupid.

[WideopenMag]

1 minute ago, cubaricho said:

 

That was the end result, yeah.

 

But it's more about what @middsis talking about when it comes to us having that killer instinct, playing like we've been there before. 

 

Teams that have won, that have been there, take that ball into the corner for as long as possible so that there is no counter attack for Trippier to fuck up on.

 

That's the difference between us and others.

This its game IQ and we need it if we want to win something, Schars suicide run against Milan was similar for me.

[Guest]

Just now, Shak said:

 

I actually shouted "ah don't shoot FFS, you dipshit" as I could see him shaping up for that shot.

 

So fucking stupid.

 

We're literally getting criticised for barely getting out of our own half, and he's getting criticised for taking on a shot.

 

I actually agree in this instance he should have ran for the corner flag like. 

[Rod]

2 minutes ago, WideopenMag said:

He's right what he's saying our game management needs to be better and our players need to wise up at times, miggy should have took it to the corner.

But ........... Trippier cost us right?  I haven't even mentioned his horrific penalty that didn't even hit the goal.  Yes, I'm still fuming.

 

[Ketsbaia]

I still can't shake off my decades-long apathetic attitude towards this competition. 

 

Just felt that we'd never have beaten Liverpool anyway and, pre-match, instead of excitement it was more about being pissed off that yet another match would inevitably bring more injuries.

 

So it is what it is.

 

What's frustrating is that we played with 50% effort and still almost beat them comfortably. Not once did I believe their half-chances would go in.

 

But Kieran  

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

I've defended how knackered we've been this season and we are knackered, but that was absolutely shit tbh, I can't defend the way we played in that 2nd half. Whether it was a Trippier mistake, a good bit of play, or anything, something was always likely to happen, it just so happened to be that. 

 

 

 

I felt this way about a number of our away performances. Particularly PSG. We offered nothing to stem the tide of opposition attack. Not a tactical move. Not really a substitution move. It’s just buckle up, keep going lads and hang on in there. At the highest level of football - is that good enough?

 

I get with less injuries. The freshness probably gets us over the line more often than not. But surely we need to have a way to play on the back foot? Like actually keep the ball or be dangerous on the counter. 
 

Not sure if I posted that. 
 

The 451 let’s keep losing the ball tactic has to change. 

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We're literally getting criticised for barely getting out of our own half, and he's getting criticised for taking on a shot.

 

I actually agree in this instance he should have ran for the corner flag like. 

But then Trippier... .........  Just say it.

 

 

[McDog]

Just now, Rod said:

But then Trippier... .........  Just say it.

 

 

 

Tbf, same as Badiashile early in the game. We didn't threaten at all during the game. Sucks and was very unfortunate.

[Rod]

1 minute ago, McDog said:

 

Tbf, same as Badiashile early in the game. We didn't threaten at all during the game. Sucks and was very unfortunate.

Ok

[Guest]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

I felt this way about a number of our away performances. Particularly PSG. We offered nothing to stem the tide of opposition attack. Not a tactical move. Not really a substitution move. It’s just buckle up, keep going lads and hang on in there. At the highest level of football - is that good enough?

 

I get with less injuries. The freshness probably gets us over the line more often than not. But surely we need to have a way to play on the back foot? Like actually keep the ball or be dangerous on the counter. 
 

Not sure if I posted that. 
 

The 451 let’s keep losing the ball tactic has to change. 

It seems that when Chelsea had the ball they were able to almost get a breather, we just seemed to be chasing the fucker around all night. 

[cubaricho]

4 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

I still can't shake off my decades-long apathetic attitude towards this competition. 

 

It's the competition I rank the lowest during the season for sure. Might just be because I'm American though. The FA Cup feels way more important to me.

[Checko]

5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We're literally getting criticised for barely getting out of our own half, and he's getting criticised for taking on a shot.

 

I actually agree in this instance he should have ran for the corner flag like. 

The one time you want the ball on Miggy's right!

[Rod]

I'm sorry for swearing tonight.  Mods so sorry.

[McDog]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

I'm sorry for swearing tonight.  Mods so sorry.

 

 

Fuck it, was disappointing all around.

[Erikse]

30 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

I still can't shake off my decades-long apathetic attitude towards this competition. 

 

Just felt that we'd never have beaten Liverpool anyway and, pre-match, instead of excitement it was more about being pissed off that yet another match would inevitably bring more injuries.

 

So it is what it is.

 

What's frustrating is that we played with 50% effort and still almost beat them comfortably. Not once did I believe their half-chances would go in.

 

But Kieran  

 

West Ham isn't a walkover for them. If West Ham win tomorrow, then what happened here will be a real shame.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Erikse

[Beth]

1 hour ago, Superior Acuña said:

Flashbacks to standing waiting for the metro home, year after year as a kid when we got knocked out of a cup, saying 'next year!' to my dad. I'm fucking 34

I'm 50. Born a month before the mackems won the FA cup. Got maybe 30 years left if I'm lucky, starting to think I'll never see us win anything in my lifetime.

[GideonShandy]

43 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

Miggy taking that shot and not taking it into the corner, leading to their counter that became the goal, is the best example of this. 

I went back and looked at this. There was about one minute and twenty seconds, and two changes of possession, between Miggy's ill-advised shot and their goal.

 

Yes, he should have gone to the corner, but it didn't really lead to their goal.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

32 minutes ago, Rod said:

I'm sorry for swearing tonight.  Mods so sorry.

 

Acting all hard behind your sewpa dewpa compewta screen

[80]

39 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

 

It's the competition I rank the lowest during the season for sure. Might just be because I'm American though. The FA Cup feels way more important to me.

Nah, everyone knows the FA Cup is more important and respected.