Dinho lad Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 what's more difficult- to score from the penalty spot....ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....to score a tap-in into an empty net from 5 yards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 thinking of the other leading prem scorers,cole,henry,fowler,ferdinand,fat eddie murphy,owen,yorke,wright....all were regular penalty takers,(probably andy cole taking the least),so if prolific means scorong more than everyone else,then aye i'd say aye he was prolific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ross51288 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 If it was that easy to score from the penalty spot.......england would probably be world cup winners by now. WAYHAY! so true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 bullshit, someone said recently shearer outscored every partner he ever had. Why do you think that was? Does that make him a better striker? Does it fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Why do you think that was? Because he's the better player. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 And the reason Shearer was picked so often for pens was because... wait for it... such an amazing striker, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Very prolific, but penalties still shouldn't count when talking about how good a striker is, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise imo. There's loads of full backs and midfielders have been their team's penalty takers at times over the years (Gareth Barry, Denis Irwin, Stuart Pearce off the top of my head) but if they got ten goals a season from the spot, I still wouldn't stick the fuckers up front. Gareth Barry has scored 5 penalties this season, that would probably have been 6 had he taken the one against Reading that Angel scored early in the season. He's currently on 8 goals for the season (7 league) which puts him joint 5th in the Premiership goalscoring chart, level with Obafemi Martins, Andy Johnson and Darren Bent. Anyone want him up front... or does he just take the penalties? If every team got the same amount of penalties every season, it can count. Otherwise it's a totally arbitrary figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I think only goals that a striker scores from outside the box should count. That would technically make Ruud Van Nistelrooy the worst striker ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I think only goals that a striker scores from outside the box should count. That would technically make Ruud Van Nistelrooy the worst striker ever. Tell that to Gerd Muller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boot Boy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Being able to take penalties is a skill, a string to the bow of a striker. Some strikers are good at it (eg Shearer) and some are not (eg Owen). Taking the recognition of this attribute away when evaluating the goalscoring ability of a striker is as unfair as removing tap ins or goals scored against relegation-threatened sides or goals scored in the later stages of games after coming on as a substitute IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boot Boy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 bullshit, someone said recently shearer outscored every partner he ever had. Whether you personally like it or not, the fact remains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Would you take the assists away from someone who takes all the corners and free kicks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 what's more difficult- to score from the penalty spot....ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....to score a tap-in into an empty net from 5 yards? That's an excellent point actually. And Wullie - totally disagree. He's still got to put it in the back of the net, hasn't he. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Barry scores another penalty. 8 league goals for the season. As good as Rooney tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Barry scores another penalty. 8 league goals for the season. As good as Rooney tbh. he's outscored every single one of his scoring partners this year blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What a stupid argument.. If scoring penalties was so easy then teams would just rotate who takes them, there's a reason why teams have a penalty taker. Let's face it, penalties are not hard to score. If you put me in front of Given there's a good chance I'd hit the back of the net. Absolute crap, yeah I'm sure when you take pens in the park against your mates its not that hard. But try taking a penalty with thousands of people watching and putting there faith in you to score what is considered an easy chance.. Try taking a penalty for your country knowing your entire nation is watching you and that the next thing you do will make you a hero or a national target. its anything but easy. If you took 50 pens in Premiership games I'd bet you'd miss 40 of them and so would I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What a stupid argument.. If scoring penalties was so easy then teams would just rotate who takes them, there's a reason why teams have a penalty taker. Let's face it, penalties are not hard to score. If you put me in front of Given there's a good chance I'd hit the back of the net. Absolute crap, yeah I'm sure when you take pens in the park against your mates its not that hard. But try taking a penalty with thousands of people watching and putting there faith in you to score what is considered an easy chance.. Try taking a penalty for your country knowing your entire nation is watching you and that the next thing you do will make you a hero or a national target. its anything but easy. If you took 50 pens in Premiership games I'd bet you'd miss 40 of them and so would I. but you can be a good pen taker without being a good striker is the point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What a stupid argument.. If scoring penalties was so easy then teams would just rotate who takes them, there's a reason why teams have a penalty taker. Let's face it, penalties are not hard to score. If you put me in front of Given there's a good chance I'd hit the back of the net. Absolute crap, yeah I'm sure when you take pens in the park against your mates its not that hard. But try taking a penalty with thousands of people watching and putting there faith in you to score what is considered an easy chance.. Try taking a penalty for your country knowing your entire nation is watching you and that the next thing you do will make you a hero or a national target. its anything but easy. If you took 50 pens in Premiership games I'd bet you'd miss 40 of them and so would I. but you can be a good pen taker without being a good striker is the point Exactly. And a crap striker can quite easily end up with 10-15 league goals, just because he takes the penalties. Edit: wish he'd just taken that one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boot Boy Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What a stupid argument.. If scoring penalties was so easy then teams would just rotate who takes them, there's a reason why teams have a penalty taker. Let's face it, penalties are not hard to score. If you put me in front of Given there's a good chance I'd hit the back of the net. Absolute crap, yeah I'm sure when you take pens in the park against your mates its not that hard. But try taking a penalty with thousands of people watching and putting there faith in you to score what is considered an easy chance.. Try taking a penalty for your country knowing your entire nation is watching you and that the next thing you do will make you a hero or a national target. its anything but easy. If you took 50 pens in Premiership games I'd bet you'd miss 40 of them and so would I. but you can be a good pen taker without being a good striker is the point but you can be a good striker without being a good penalty taker, you can be a good striker without being a good header of the ball, you can be a good striker without being a good goal poacher, you can be a good striker without being good in dead ball situations, etc. Why are goals scored using one skill regarded as legitimate but goals scored because of another skill dismissed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Fuck me, a debate on how prolific Shearer was or whether he was THAT prolific... 206 goals in 405 games, need I say more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What a stupid argument.. If scoring penalties was so easy then teams would just rotate who takes them, there's a reason why teams have a penalty taker. Let's face it, penalties are not hard to score. If you put me in front of Given there's a good chance I'd hit the back of the net. Absolute crap, yeah I'm sure when you take pens in the park against your mates its not that hard. But try taking a penalty with thousands of people watching and putting there faith in you to score what is considered an easy chance.. Try taking a penalty for your country knowing your entire nation is watching you and that the next thing you do will make you a hero or a national target. its anything but easy. If you took 50 pens in Premiership games I'd bet you'd miss 40 of them and so would I. but you can be a good pen taker without being a good striker is the point Exactly. And a crap striker can quite easily end up with 10-15 league goals, just because he takes the penalties. Edit: wish he'd just taken that one though. at the edit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 BTW taking pens is not easy, it is a well known fact that scoring from a dead ball is a lot harder than scoring from a moving ball. Pens are a skill just like free-kicks and corners, and even goalkicks. That's why England are crap at pens because we don't treat dead ball situations as a skill form. We consider pens akin to basic shooting which is wrong because its not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 206 goals in 405 games, need I say more. And that's only for us, when he was allegedly passed his best for 9 out the 10 seasons he was here. over 90 league goals in three consecutive seasons at any level is ridiculous... let alone in one of the top leagues in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 206 goals in 405 games, need I say more. And that's only for us, when he was allegedly passed his best for 9 out the 10 seasons he was here. over 90 league goals in three consecutive seasons at any level ridiculous... let alone in one of the top leagues in the world. Exactly. The man's ability in front of goal is second to none. He's in that rare category of strikers who if presented with two chances, would bury one and force a save with another. Off the top of my head, in my lifetime, I can't think of many strikers as accurate with their all-round shooting than Shearer. Two yards or 30 yards, in the air or from free-kicks, pens or left footers, volleys or in off the thigh - he 9 times out of 10 hit the target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Off the top of my head, in my lifetime, I can't think of many strikers as accurate with their all-round shooting than Shearer. Henry? Cantona? If you only counted in the box you have RVN, Andy Cole etc. Not that I am undermining Shearer's achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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