Paul Mitchell - Leaves Club (Hope); No He Hasn't (Edwards)

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, jack j said:

Thank fuck he did fuck off and we kept Joelinton then eh. Wouldn't have been winning that cup final and giving me one of the best days of me life without him for starters

Very true can’t disagree with that, though long term think his concerns about his availability due to injuries might be well founded.

[Boey_Jarton]

4 hours ago, Ikon said:

Based on what? Genuine question. 

It was sarcasm.

 

I have no idea of Andy Howe's credentials and am cynical that the best person for the job just so happens to be the bosses' nephew.

 

That said, Eddie clearly trusts him and their transfer record is decent. 

[Bimpy474]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Do you think Ashworth would have left if he was happy in his role ? there were plenty of reports that he thought the job wasn’t as advertised and he didn’t have the autonomy to make the decisions he wanted, Joelintons contract being one well reported example.

 

 

 

 

Personally i couldn't care less why he left, as long as it wasn't because the club was on fire like it was during Ashley ownership.

And, if you would be so kind to me point in direction to where it's been said it was because of Eddie, that is not something i recall at all. Or ever remember being said, written or even mentioned until i read your post.  Frankly i think it's nonsense, but I’m quite happy to proven wrong.

 

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Bimpy474

[Erikse]

7 hours ago, Scoot said:

Plus, Howe and Nickson taking over a job they've both done before here.

 

They signed Bruno, Botman, Trippier etc...

 

Didn't we hire a "transfer expert" for the first window? I can't remember the details.

 

Edit: As revealed by The Athletic, Newcastle United’s new owners have appointed Nick Hammond as a temporary consultant ahead of the January transfer window.

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Erikse

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Didn't we hire a "transfer expert" for the first window? I can't remember the details.

 

Edit: As revealed by The Athletic, Newcastle United’s new owners have appointed Nick Hammond as a temporary consultant ahead of the January transfer window.

 

 

 

We did but obviously as fans we don't know the extent of the engagement. 

[80]

2 hours ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Personally i couldn't care less why he left, as long as it wasn't because the club was on fire like it was during Ashley ownership.

And, if you would be so kind to me point in direction to where it's been said it was because of Eddie, that is not something i recall at all. Or ever remember being said, written or even mentioned until i read your post.  Frankly i think it's nonsense, but I’m quite happy to proven wrong.

 

 

 

 

It did start being briefed as mitigation by his side after his attempt at going to Man U became a shit show, but not beforehand. Then, after his stint at Man U became a shit show, his side started briefing that he really liked working with Eddie Howe and he'd suggested him as a replacement for Ten Hag.

 

Ashworth spreading self-serving bollocks seems to be the consistent theme.

[Whitley mag]

6 hours ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Personally i couldn't care less why he left, as long as it wasn't because the club was on fire like it was during Ashley ownership.

And, if you would be so kind to me point in direction to where it's been said it was because of Eddie, that is not something i recall at all. Or ever remember being said, written or even mentioned until i read your post.  Frankly i think it's nonsense, but I’m quite happy to proven wrong.

 

 

 

 

I’m certainly not saying it was all down to Howe the people running the club should have given a clear job specification of the DOF role, I think that is the problem and one they need to address with whoever they appoint next.

[Newcastle Fan]

Have to admire Mitchell's commitment to being absolutely useless until the very last day.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Newcastle Fan said:

Have to admire Mitchell's commitment to being absolutely useless until the very last day.

What's he done?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

12 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Do you think Ashworth would have left if he was happy in his role ? there were plenty of reports that he thought the job wasn’t as advertised and he didn’t have the autonomy to make the decisions he wanted, Joelintons contract being one well reported example.

Maybe, he probably got paid more at Man Utd and thinks it’s a higher prestige job. Also got another lovely period of paid gardening leave. 

[The College Dropout]

Staveley and Ashworth at least got business done and had influence over PIF. Too much I guess.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said:

Have to admire Mitchell's commitment to being absolutely useless until the very last day.

 

His ideas obviously clashed with Howe's, that was not going to work and we've basically wasted a season because of it. 

 

Hopefully this will bring some clarity and Howe's team can get some transfer business done quickly now. 

[Bimpy474]

7 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

I’m certainly not saying it was all down to Howe the people running the club should have given a clear job specification of the DOF role, I think that is the problem and one they need to address with whoever they appoint next.

 

Fair enough mate.  I hate saying this as it makes me want to puke, but personally I think Ashworth left because he was wanted by one of the so called biggest clubs in the world. And as much of a mess Man Utd are, the pull is still there for some. 

Ashworth leaving may have had a bit more to it.  You are right mind, the DOF or whatever they want to call it, does need defining and sorting out once and for all.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Bimpy474

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Fair enough mate.  I hate saying this as make me want to puke, but personally I think Ashworth left because he was wanted by one of the so called biggest clubs in the world. And as much of mess Man Utd are, the pull is still there for some. 

Ashworth leaving may have had a bit more to it.  You are right mind, the DOF or whatever they want to call it, does need defining and sorting out once and for all.

 

 

We might not like it but clubs like Man U and Liverpool have more pull than us because they are considered one of the biggest clubs in the world. Doesn't help that they can offer double the wages we can to players on top of that. 

[RobsonsWonderland]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Staveley and Ashworth at least got business done and had influence over PIF. Too much I guess.

Apart from two Champions League campaigns, one Carabo Cup and never being in a relegation battle for three years... What did that overspending ever get us!! 

 

I do get your point to a degree but history will show success over us having to sell Anderson etc

[The College Dropout]

I’m saying they did a good job pal. 

[rgk_lfc]

21 hours ago, Bunk Moreland said:

From a Liverpool news site about Julian Ward's background/experience: https://www.daveockop.com/transfer-news/newcastle-united-show-interest-in-julian-ward/

 

"Julian Ward first joined Liverpool in October 2012 as European Scouting Manager for the Spain and Portugal regions, having previously worked in Manchester City’s scouting setup and on Carlos Queiroz’s Portugal national team staff.

 

Over the next three years he developed Liverpool’s loan pathways and partnerships, taking up the role of Loan Pathways & Football Partnerships Manager in late 2015 and establishing the club’s loan department.

Ward’s promotion continued in December 2020 when he became Assistant Sporting Director, working directly under Michael Edwards to coordinate recruitment, oversee analytics, and negotiate transfers amid Liverpool’s title-winning period.

 

In June 2022, he succeeded Edwards as Sporting Director, taking charge of Liverpool’s transfer strategy and leading on high-profile signings – although it did not last long.

 

After stepping down at the end of the 2022–23 season, Ward was persuaded by Edwards to return to the Fenway Sports Group structure om June 2024, as group Technical Director.

 

In this expanded role he oversees Liverpool’s Academy, elite player development, the loan department, and a new football innovation division, as well as coordinating football operations across any future clubs added to FSG’s portfolio."

 

 

 

 

Ward is quality. He is another of Edwards' proteges - very analytical and data-oriented. Like Edwards, Ward remains in the background. He does not give media interviews or make proclamations about the difficulties of his job or the great things he has done. Doesn't have a social media account or profile. He has deep connections in Portugal. He was the brains behind the Diaz and MacAllister transfer. According to rumors, he was also vehemently against Nunez and preferred Goncalo Ramos. 

 

I would be surprised if he moved, though. Edwards' proteges tend to remain loyal to Edwards, and Edwards is loyal to FSG. But if you land him, it will be one hell of a catch—better than Monchi, Berta, Mitchell, or other glamorous DOFs who can't quite keep their mouth out of the media. 

 

The one negative thing is that Ward is very process-oriented, and if he feels that he is overruled one too many times, he tends to walk away. Which is what happened at LFC, according to most insiders? But when he was overruled for the contract extensions and Nunez signing, he decided he was not needed and stepped down. There was no fight or bad mouthing in the media. More of "If you don't trust my process, I am not needed".

 

From 2016-2021, our transfer decisions were taken as a collective between Mike Gordon (CEO), Edwards, and Klopp, who were the three pillars with much respect for each other. Gordon was the tiebreaker if there were disagreements between Klopp and Edwards. After some time, Gordon took a back seat, which led to Klopp having more influence. When it was Ward versus Klopp, there was no contest. So you will definitely need a strong CEO to act as a tiebreaker. 

 

 

[Ben]

It's early days so I'm not to bothered about signings just yet but communication is very poor if Eddie is not around, Eales and Mitchell seemed to have checked out and since Staveley left we seem to have a lack vision